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we do know calacanis went on to publicly denigrate the former employee. it doesn't make me think there's more to "his half" than juvenile petulance. >"Free adv

by exit 17y ago

we do know calacanis went on to publicly denigrate the former employee. it doesn't make me think there's more to "his half" than juvenile petulance. >"Free advice for entitled Gen Y trophy kids: if you spend 12 months at a company over and over you look like a flake." 10:06 PM Apr 21st via Twitter for BlackBerry® http://twitter.com/Jason/status/12621363849 http://twitter.com/Jason/status/12621363849

scorxn 17y ago
Withholding judgement and taking that tweet at face value, it does touch on something important. Usually when entering a job, a candidate will be excited and say just about anything. "Hell yeah I could see myself here for the next 5 years!" Who knows if that happened here. The employer may take on certain expectations, possibility choosing a hire based on that enthusiasm and apparent commitment. Either way, no one expects a new employee to a) dislike a place soon after coming onboard, or b) abruptly take another offer. Is 12 months abrupt? Depends on the expectations. It's a difficult situation that has to be handled tactfully on both sides. Doesn't appear to have happened here: Jason for his response, Evan for resigning _via email_.
- jacquesm 17y ago
  Plenty of people resign via email simply to make it official. That's where the whole 'handing in your notice' expression comes from, people used to literally hand deliver their termination letter, these days letters are emails so it is a logical - even if it feels rude - development.
  - scorxn 17y ago
    I'm admittedly assuming, based on the severity of Jason's reaction, that the email was the first he'd heard of Evan's resignation. Had it been a face-to-face conversation, then a letter, the fireworks could have been avoided. Speaking from first-hand experience, it can be absolutely gut-wrenching, but ultimately feels like the right thing to do.
    - jacquesm 17y ago
      In light of the response, you could even say that mahalo employees might prefer to resign via email rather than to face the full brunt of the response in person, your assumption could easily be right and there might be a good reason for it.
      - scorxn 17y ago
        In which case you have an opportunity to wake up the next day, decidedly the bigger person, wholly assured in your decision to leave, and with no regrets about how you did so.
        exit 17y ago
        opting to email rather than hand in a resignation is not going to undermine anyone's decision to leave.
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  - SRSimko 17y ago
    I am sorry, maybe I'm old school but resigning by email is weak. If you think you know how it'll go, prepare, have a response ready. Maybe, you'll be surprised at the very least you will be respected for walking in the door.
- exit 17y ago
  and usually when interviewing for a job, suggesting you might not stick around for a long as is convenient for the company will disqualify you. invariably hr gives you the "we're looking for someone will grow with the company ... ", and you're expected to oblige them with some reassuring "enthusiasm".
  - mavelikara 17y ago
    Nothing like a greencard application to show such "enthusiasm"!
- jbellis 17y ago
  I've failed to get offers when I've been up front and said, "I'll leave in two years if I'm not challenged anymore." And that's okay, because it probably wasn't a good fit.
spamizbad 17y ago
I'm beginning to resent that my generation has been dubbed the "Trophy Kids." Those trophies were more for parental egos than our own self-esteem. We weren't dumb, we knew it was just a meaningless participation trinket. Most of those things ended up going in the trash unless your parents mandated you keep them (Mine didn't, thankfully). I think I'd keep them around for a year or two just for the sake of having a knick-nack, until I needed the space for a model.
- idoh 17y ago
  Agreed. Blaming a whole generation is silly. If you want to play that game, then blame the parents of the trophy kids who decided that it was a good idea to give everyone a participation trophy.
  - Nwallins 17y ago
    > Blaming a whole generation is silly. Is anyone really doing that? I see Trophy Kids (btw, new term for me, and I am one, I suppose) as a characterization rather than blame. There is no doubt the term is pejorative, but if I think canned green beans taste like crap, am I blaming the beans, the can, the producer, or am I not placing any blame at all? FWIW, I do agree that parents are largely responsible for their children's behavior.
- throw_away 17y ago
  I always thought that "trophy kids" didn't refer to trophies earned for kid-competitions, but rather as an allusion to "trophy wives".
- philk 17y ago
  It's just thinly concealed envy. Older generations have always looked down on the young.

by exit 17y ago

scorxn 17y ago

Withholding judgement and taking that tweet at face value, it does touch on something important. Usually when entering a job, a candidate will be excited and say just about anything. "Hell yeah I could see myself here for the next 5 years!" Who knows if that happened here. The employer may take on certain expectations, possibility choosing a hire based on that enthusiasm and apparent commitment. Either way, no one expects a new employee to a) dislike a place soon after coming onboard, or b) abruptly take another offer. Is 12 months abrupt? Depends on the expectations. It's a difficult situation that has to be handled tactfully on both sides. Doesn't appear to have happened here: Jason for his response, Evan for resigning _via email_.

jacquesm 17y ago
Plenty of people resign via email simply to make it official. That's where the whole 'handing in your notice' expression comes from, people used to literally hand deliver their termination letter, these days letters are emails so it is a logical - even if it feels rude - development.
- scorxn 17y ago
  I'm admittedly assuming, based on the severity of Jason's reaction, that the email was the first he'd heard of Evan's resignation. Had it been a face-to-face conversation, then a letter, the fireworks could have been avoided. Speaking from first-hand experience, it can be absolutely gut-wrenching, but ultimately feels like the right thing to do.
  - jacquesm 17y ago
    In light of the response, you could even say that mahalo employees might prefer to resign via email rather than to face the full brunt of the response in person, your assumption could easily be right and there might be a good reason for it.
    - scorxn 17y ago
      In which case you have an opportunity to wake up the next day, decidedly the bigger person, wholly assured in your decision to leave, and with no regrets about how you did so.
      - exit 17y ago
        opting to email rather than hand in a resignation is not going to undermine anyone's decision to leave.
        deleted 17y ago
        [deleted]
- SRSimko 17y ago
  I am sorry, maybe I'm old school but resigning by email is weak. If you think you know how it'll go, prepare, have a response ready. Maybe, you'll be surprised at the very least you will be respected for walking in the door.
exit 17y ago
and usually when interviewing for a job, suggesting you might not stick around for a long as is convenient for the company will disqualify you. invariably hr gives you the "we're looking for someone will grow with the company ... ", and you're expected to oblige them with some reassuring "enthusiasm".
- mavelikara 17y ago
  Nothing like a greencard application to show such "enthusiasm"!
jbellis 17y ago
I've failed to get offers when I've been up front and said, "I'll leave in two years if I'm not challenged anymore." And that's okay, because it probably wasn't a good fit.

spamizbad 17y ago

I'm beginning to resent that my generation has been dubbed the "Trophy Kids." Those trophies were more for parental egos than our own self-esteem. We weren't dumb, we knew it was just a meaningless participation trinket. Most of those things ended up going in the trash unless your parents mandated you keep them (Mine didn't, thankfully). I think I'd keep them around for a year or two just for the sake of having a knick-nack, until I needed the space for a model.

idoh 17y ago
Agreed. Blaming a whole generation is silly. If you want to play that game, then blame the parents of the trophy kids who decided that it was a good idea to give everyone a participation trophy.
- Nwallins 17y ago
  > Blaming a whole generation is silly. Is anyone really doing that? I see Trophy Kids (btw, new term for me, and I am one, I suppose) as a characterization rather than blame. There is no doubt the term is pejorative, but if I think canned green beans taste like crap, am I blaming the beans, the can, the producer, or am I not placing any blame at all? FWIW, I do agree that parents are largely responsible for their children's behavior.
throw_away 17y ago
I always thought that "trophy kids" didn't refer to trophies earned for kid-competitions, but rather as an allusion to "trophy wives".
philk 17y ago
It's just thinly concealed envy. Older generations have always looked down on the young.