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Can I ask how you got started in the field? I actually began my career in Accounting (my undergrad is in it), and still find the world of finance pretty intere

by jxm262 10y ago

Can I ask how you got started in the field? I actually began my career in Accounting (my undergrad is in it), and still find the world of finance pretty interesting. Somewhere along the line I ended up in Engineering and have been a Software Dev ever since. But I do still think about getting into trading at some point, but not sure how to transition.

CyberFonic 10y ago
How does an accountant end up in "engineering" without going back to Uni and doing an engineering degree?
- herdrick 10y ago
  The scare quotes are pretty condescending. How about removing them?
  - CyberFonic 10y ago
    Condescending? Please explain why you see it like that. When you go to a doctor, you expect that they completed training and are certified to practice medicine. It is the same for the engineering profession. Would you want to work in a high rise building that was designed and built some self-titled engineers who have never been appropriately trained?
    - jchendy 10y ago
      > It is the same for the engineering profession. In some countries it is that way. I know Canada is very strict about who can be called an engineer. In the US, it is not that way. AFAIK, there's no legal definition of an engineer, and anybody can call themselves an engineer.
      - kobeya 10y ago
        Well there are certifications and licenses for civil engineers. But not other forms of engineering, and 'engineer', unqualified, is not a protected word. In fact for the most part we don't really have protected words (1st amendment and all that).
        majewsky 10y ago
        "Doctor", "Professor", "Judge", etc.
        kobeya 10y ago
        I can call myself any of those things without getting into legal trouble. If the context is that I misrepresent myself to have credentials I do not, that could be a crime yes. But saying I'm a doctor, professor, or even judge doesn't automatically get me in trouble as it would in other countries.
      - jasonkester 10y ago
        That's incorrect. In the US, you take the Engineer In Training (EIT) exam when you graduate university, then require 4 years of industry experience before you can sit the PE (Professional Engineer) exam. If you pass that, you can call yourself an Engineer. But that's only for actual Engineering disciplines. We in software don't need to take an "Engineer" test for the same reason we don't need to take a "Rock Star" test or "Ninja" test. We use the title as a courtesy, not an indication of qualification.
        mbrock 10y ago
        What would you call someone who's self-taught and mentored in the typical engineering practices (construction, repairs, engines, etc)? Why would some national laws about certifications prevent you from referring to such a person as an engineer?
        jasonkester 10y ago
        For four years, my business cards read "engineering". As in, does engineering work but cannot sign off on documents and thus is not an Engineer. I left for software before sitting the PE, so they'd read the same were I to return to doing Mechanical Engineering work. But of course it's silly to stand on principal on such things, so I've never taken offense to anybody calling themselves whatever they like. If the janitor can be an engineer, certainly anybody else can too. I imagine Architects feel the same way. And Cardiologists will as well, when we start appropriating their title.
        Grishnakh 10y ago
        You don't need a PE to call yourself an "engineer". Every working engineer calls himself an "engineer" on his resume. What you people are forgetting is the Industrial Exemption. Companies are allowed to call their employees engineers and use that word in their job titles because of the exemption. The PE thing really only applies to stuff like civil engineering projects.
        jchendy 10y ago
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- JauntyHatAngle 10y ago
  You know, not everyone needs to do a degree to be good in a field. There is such thing as a traineeship. Yes, they lose out on a lot of the concepts and focused study, but I'd take sharp trainee over a hand pressed graduate any day.
- roel_v 10y ago
  Let me guess, you're Canadian and your next post is going to be how without that ring or whatever you're not real engineer rollseyes.
- jamez1 10y ago
  Universities have a vested self interest in controlling who can join a profession, they would prefer it if every worker everywhere needed a degree. Just look at the slow assimilation of vocational studies into uni courses (stuff like wine making, nursing, etc.) It is needed in some cases, you want people to be properly educated, but that's only when the tuition is necessary for that education. Engineering (software) probably doesn't for the most part, and I think most people resent the hoops they have to jump through because a university wants to stay relevant, hence the down votes.
- saneshark 10y ago
  Malcolm Gladwell's much contested principle that 10,000 hours of deliberate practice can make anyone world-class in a field, aside. Software engineering is incredibly high in demand, there are countless free resources and courses available online, and there are a lot of people out there with the capacity to teach themselves. Software engineering is probably the single most enabling thing one could teach themselves in today's world. There are people who learned how to code, tossed an app in the App Store and made millions. Or someone who started a wordpress blog, dabbled in some customization and discovered a passion for writing code that they never knew existed. It's like teaching yourself how to read, it enables you to learn and understand more. It's probably one of the few professions where Malcolm Gladwell's contentious principle holds true. Do it religiously for 5-6 years and absorb everything you learn like a sponge, and you are probably more of an expert in your field than someone graduating from a University because you're on the cutting edge whereas they're just figuring out where they fit into the picture.
- lotsofcows 10y ago
  Ha. When my career started I was one of the first in the office with a relevant degree. Everyone else had started as an accountant. Which, if you think about the evolution of business computing, makes perfect sense. Tangentially, presumably for the same reasons, both genders were evenly represented.
jamez1 10y ago
I spent about 2 years reading in my spare time, learning, trying to understand the world and markets in general. All the while applying for jobs. You end up getting a good feel for the job market, what you're actually lacking, what people are actually looking for. I would have properly applied for every job that appeared in the country over that time. Surprisingly a lot of people enter the field laterally, not everyone goes through the investment banking angle.
jxm262 10y ago
Edit to my own thread - I actually did go back to college for a Master's in Software Engineering. It was neither quick nor easy for me, but in the end I did get a degree and have had a pretty successful career for some years now. However, I agree with all the other comments that a degree isn't necessarily required and sometimes wonder if it was even worth the effort.

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CyberFonic 10y ago

How does an accountant end up in "engineering" without going back to Uni and doing an engineering degree?

herdrick 10y ago
The scare quotes are pretty condescending. How about removing them?
- CyberFonic 10y ago
  Condescending? Please explain why you see it like that. When you go to a doctor, you expect that they completed training and are certified to practice medicine. It is the same for the engineering profession. Would you want to work in a high rise building that was designed and built some self-titled engineers who have never been appropriately trained?
  - jchendy 10y ago
    > It is the same for the engineering profession. In some countries it is that way. I know Canada is very strict about who can be called an engineer. In the US, it is not that way. AFAIK, there's no legal definition of an engineer, and anybody can call themselves an engineer.
    - kobeya 10y ago
      Well there are certifications and licenses for civil engineers. But not other forms of engineering, and 'engineer', unqualified, is not a protected word. In fact for the most part we don't really have protected words (1st amendment and all that).
      - majewsky 10y ago
        "Doctor", "Professor", "Judge", etc.
        kobeya 10y ago
        I can call myself any of those things without getting into legal trouble. If the context is that I misrepresent myself to have credentials I do not, that could be a crime yes. But saying I'm a doctor, professor, or even judge doesn't automatically get me in trouble as it would in other countries.
    - jasonkester 10y ago
      That's incorrect. In the US, you take the Engineer In Training (EIT) exam when you graduate university, then require 4 years of industry experience before you can sit the PE (Professional Engineer) exam. If you pass that, you can call yourself an Engineer. But that's only for actual Engineering disciplines. We in software don't need to take an "Engineer" test for the same reason we don't need to take a "Rock Star" test or "Ninja" test. We use the title as a courtesy, not an indication of qualification.
      - mbrock 10y ago
        What would you call someone who's self-taught and mentored in the typical engineering practices (construction, repairs, engines, etc)? Why would some national laws about certifications prevent you from referring to such a person as an engineer?
        jasonkester 10y ago
        For four years, my business cards read "engineering". As in, does engineering work but cannot sign off on documents and thus is not an Engineer. I left for software before sitting the PE, so they'd read the same were I to return to doing Mechanical Engineering work. But of course it's silly to stand on principal on such things, so I've never taken offense to anybody calling themselves whatever they like. If the janitor can be an engineer, certainly anybody else can too. I imagine Architects feel the same way. And Cardiologists will as well, when we start appropriating their title.
        Grishnakh 10y ago
        You don't need a PE to call yourself an "engineer". Every working engineer calls himself an "engineer" on his resume. What you people are forgetting is the Industrial Exemption. Companies are allowed to call their employees engineers and use that word in their job titles because of the exemption. The PE thing really only applies to stuff like civil engineering projects.
      - jchendy 10y ago
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JauntyHatAngle 10y ago
You know, not everyone needs to do a degree to be good in a field. There is such thing as a traineeship. Yes, they lose out on a lot of the concepts and focused study, but I'd take sharp trainee over a hand pressed graduate any day.
roel_v 10y ago
Let me guess, you're Canadian and your next post is going to be how without that ring or whatever you're not real engineer rollseyes.
jamez1 10y ago
Universities have a vested self interest in controlling who can join a profession, they would prefer it if every worker everywhere needed a degree. Just look at the slow assimilation of vocational studies into uni courses (stuff like wine making, nursing, etc.) It is needed in some cases, you want people to be properly educated, but that's only when the tuition is necessary for that education. Engineering (software) probably doesn't for the most part, and I think most people resent the hoops they have to jump through because a university wants to stay relevant, hence the down votes.
saneshark 10y ago
Malcolm Gladwell's much contested principle that 10,000 hours of deliberate practice can make anyone world-class in a field, aside. Software engineering is incredibly high in demand, there are countless free resources and courses available online, and there are a lot of people out there with the capacity to teach themselves. Software engineering is probably the single most enabling thing one could teach themselves in today's world. There are people who learned how to code, tossed an app in the App Store and made millions. Or someone who started a wordpress blog, dabbled in some customization and discovered a passion for writing code that they never knew existed. It's like teaching yourself how to read, it enables you to learn and understand more. It's probably one of the few professions where Malcolm Gladwell's contentious principle holds true. Do it religiously for 5-6 years and absorb everything you learn like a sponge, and you are probably more of an expert in your field than someone graduating from a University because you're on the cutting edge whereas they're just figuring out where they fit into the picture.
lotsofcows 10y ago
Ha. When my career started I was one of the first in the office with a relevant degree. Everyone else had started as an accountant. Which, if you think about the evolution of business computing, makes perfect sense. Tangentially, presumably for the same reasons, both genders were evenly represented.

jamez1 10y ago

I spent about 2 years reading in my spare time, learning, trying to understand the world and markets in general. All the while applying for jobs. You end up getting a good feel for the job market, what you're actually lacking, what people are actually looking for. I would have properly applied for every job that appeared in the country over that time. Surprisingly a lot of people enter the field laterally, not everyone goes through the investment banking angle.

jxm262 10y ago

Edit to my own thread - I actually did go back to college for a Master's in Software Engineering. It was neither quick nor easy for me, but in the end I did get a degree and have had a pretty successful career for some years now. However, I agree with all the other comments that a degree isn't necessarily required and sometimes wonder if it was even worth the effort.