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is this because of that ridiculous spirit cooking rumor?

Kenji 10y ago
What do you mean, "ridiculous" "rumour"? Do you not accept the authenticity of DKIM-authenticated Wikileaks e-mails? It is written there, black on white, byte for byte. EDIT: Just to clarify. The e-mail in question specifically contains "spirit cooking" so it is in no way a rumour. What that means exactly - well, yes, that is open to your interpretation and imagination.
- geofft 10y ago
  The authenticity of the emails is one thing. The meaning of the authenticated words is quite another. What is, apparently, authenticated is that John Podesta's brother invited him to a "Spirit Cooking dinner" (those are the relevant three words that are part of the authenticated email) hosted by a performance artist named Marina Abramovic. What is not authenticated at all is what "Spirit Cooking dinner" means. One possibility is that it is a Satanic orgy ritual. One possibility is that it is a perfectly normal dinner with normal human food, celebrating / related to a performance art project named Spirit Cooking (see, e.g., https://www.moma.org/collection/works/143945 https://www.moma.org/collection/works/143945). The email doesn't rule either of those possibilities out.
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    The Satanic Orgy suggestions are just crazy people crazying, aren't they? I mean there's no sensible reason to think it's anything more sinister than a slightly insalubrious performance art thing.
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    Well, if Abramovic is involved, it ain't gonna be a perfectly normal dinner. It's going to be a very interesting one.
  - taneq 10y ago
    It's not as crazy as someone suggesting (from the same leaked emails) that some amount of money spent on pizza was actually for prostitutes because pizza is a codeword for prostitutes. They need to hurry up and get this election over with because it's making the whole world stupider.
- dguaraglia 10y ago
  How would you describe something that is in no way based in reality? The only "reality" is an email that, as far as anyone can tell, is linked to a performance artist. Imagine if anyone in the campaign was invited to a transgressive art[1] exhibit! People would be talking about the Clintons eating fetuses! (Actually, never mind, there's people already doing that...) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgressive_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgressive_art
- rokosbasilisk 10y ago
  wow. i didnt know it was authenticated, i thought it was just a fake smear.
thisisdallas 10y ago
> is this because of that ridiculous spirit cooking rumor? 1. Most likely absolutely not. 2. That's...not a rumor but you don't have to accept the reality.
- dguaraglia 10y ago
  Looks like you might have been reading Scott Adams lately. What "reality" are you describing here? The fact that there's an email regarding "Spirit cooking" (whatever that might mean) or the made up fact that the Clintons take part in blood orgies? Because those are two different things.
  - thisisdallas 10y ago
    The reality that an email exists that mentions spirit cooking and the reality that there are way too many coincidences to "spirit cooking" not being confined to art. Also, you seem pretty offended. What's wrong with blood orgies?
    - dguaraglia 10y ago
      What offends me is people completely turning off their bullshit filter just to fit some facts into a narrative they find compelling. It's literally the opposite of the scientific method, and the last thing I'd like to see in Hacker News. If anything, this election has shown how many people are willing to dismiss reality just so they feel comfortable supporting a particular candidate. Both parties are guilty of it, but one party has perfected the method with decades of anti-intellectualism and pandering to the extreme factions in our society. We are seeing what made America great (evidence-based, pragmatic decision making) dismantled in the altar of team loyalty. We should be extremely worried, not making light of it for some "troll points."
      - thisisdallas 10y ago
        You speak highly of pragmatic decision making yet claim roughly 50% of the nation is suffering from anti-intellectualism? Sounds like you yourself are dismissing reality just so you can feel comfortable supporting a particular candidate or political view. I find it very disconcerting that a small violent leftist sect of the democratic party has been able to gain such a voice by bullying and character assassinations.

Kenji 10y ago

What do you mean, "ridiculous" "rumour"? Do you not accept the authenticity of DKIM-authenticated Wikileaks e-mails? It is written there, black on white, byte for byte. EDIT: Just to clarify. The e-mail in question specifically contains "spirit cooking" so it is in no way a rumour. What that means exactly - well, yes, that is open to your interpretation and imagination.

geofft 10y ago
The authenticity of the emails is one thing. The meaning of the authenticated words is quite another. What is, apparently, authenticated is that John Podesta's brother invited him to a "Spirit Cooking dinner" (those are the relevant three words that are part of the authenticated email) hosted by a performance artist named Marina Abramovic. What is not authenticated at all is what "Spirit Cooking dinner" means. One possibility is that it is a Satanic orgy ritual. One possibility is that it is a perfectly normal dinner with normal human food, celebrating / related to a performance art project named Spirit Cooking (see, e.g., https://www.moma.org/collection/works/143945 https://www.moma.org/collection/works/143945). The email doesn't rule either of those possibilities out.
- Joeboy 10y ago
  The Satanic Orgy suggestions are just crazy people crazying, aren't they? I mean there's no sensible reason to think it's anything more sinister than a slightly insalubrious performance art thing.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  Well, if Abramovic is involved, it ain't gonna be a perfectly normal dinner. It's going to be a very interesting one.
- taneq 10y ago
  It's not as crazy as someone suggesting (from the same leaked emails) that some amount of money spent on pizza was actually for prostitutes because pizza is a codeword for prostitutes. They need to hurry up and get this election over with because it's making the whole world stupider.
dguaraglia 10y ago
How would you describe something that is in no way based in reality? The only "reality" is an email that, as far as anyone can tell, is linked to a performance artist. Imagine if anyone in the campaign was invited to a transgressive art[1] exhibit! People would be talking about the Clintons eating fetuses! (Actually, never mind, there's people already doing that...) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgressive_art https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgressive_art
rokosbasilisk 10y ago
wow. i didnt know it was authenticated, i thought it was just a fake smear.

thisisdallas 10y ago

> is this because of that ridiculous spirit cooking rumor? 1. Most likely absolutely not. 2. That's...not a rumor but you don't have to accept the reality.

dguaraglia 10y ago
Looks like you might have been reading Scott Adams lately. What "reality" are you describing here? The fact that there's an email regarding "Spirit cooking" (whatever that might mean) or the made up fact that the Clintons take part in blood orgies? Because those are two different things.
- thisisdallas 10y ago
  The reality that an email exists that mentions spirit cooking and the reality that there are way too many coincidences to "spirit cooking" not being confined to art. Also, you seem pretty offended. What's wrong with blood orgies?
  - dguaraglia 10y ago
    What offends me is people completely turning off their bullshit filter just to fit some facts into a narrative they find compelling. It's literally the opposite of the scientific method, and the last thing I'd like to see in Hacker News. If anything, this election has shown how many people are willing to dismiss reality just so they feel comfortable supporting a particular candidate. Both parties are guilty of it, but one party has perfected the method with decades of anti-intellectualism and pandering to the extreme factions in our society. We are seeing what made America great (evidence-based, pragmatic decision making) dismantled in the altar of team loyalty. We should be extremely worried, not making light of it for some "troll points."
    - thisisdallas 10y ago
      You speak highly of pragmatic decision making yet claim roughly 50% of the nation is suffering from anti-intellectualism? Sounds like you yourself are dismissing reality just so you can feel comfortable supporting a particular candidate or political view. I find it very disconcerting that a small violent leftist sect of the democratic party has been able to gain such a voice by bullying and character assassinations.