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Wow. That poll seems to indicate the only way most folks get a raise is by quitting their job and getting a different one. :(

chris_hawk 10y ago
That sounds right. The link in the OP outlines a pretty solid plan; that's pretty much the way I used to get raises as a corporate dev.
pkaler 10y ago
Makes sense. At the macro level, the way you see gains in the economy is when you redeploy resources. At the micro level, the way you redeploy resources is by using your two feet. :)
strictnein 10y ago
It's the only way I've ever received a real raise in the past ~12 years. I even quit to start a company and came back to the same company 18 months later at $30k higher than when I left (I was originally underpaid, but still).
clifanatic 10y ago
Been programming for 25 years, 8 different employers. The only time I've ever gotten anything besides a COL increase was when I switched jobs.
dsp1234 10y ago
There are also social dynamics and logical fallacies at play. For example, we brought on a front end developer who was about 1 year out of college and hadn't done much. After 3 years, he had devoured basically everything on the front end, but he hadn't gotten much of a raise, but was leading a team in addition to his own work. An internal position opened up that would have been a promotion for him, and when I talked to the person hiring, I got a response of "What are you talking about? He's fresh out of college". Few in the company could see past their mental model of him even though he'd grown past it by far. He wasn't able to break away from those pre-conceived, and built up opinions. However, he left, got a new position for a quite a bit of a raise, and he's no longer known as 'that college kid'. In that way, it's like family dynamics. Being a 'kid sister' even though everyone is in their 40s, has 2 or more kids of their own, and the age gap is only 2 years. Replace your own unbreakable family dynamics here.
- user5994461 10y ago
  Yep. Seen it happens. The only path to right the wrong perception is to start anew elsewhere.
draw_down 10y ago
Yeah, that's been the received wisdom for a while now. Certainly true in my experience. Loyalty just doesn't work out for the employee. Firms know they do this and most of them don't care. The only exception I know for sure is Netflix.

chris_hawk 10y ago

That sounds right. The link in the OP outlines a pretty solid plan; that's pretty much the way I used to get raises as a corporate dev.

pkaler 10y ago

Makes sense. At the macro level, the way you see gains in the economy is when you redeploy resources. At the micro level, the way you redeploy resources is by using your two feet. :)

strictnein 10y ago

It's the only way I've ever received a real raise in the past ~12 years. I even quit to start a company and came back to the same company 18 months later at $30k higher than when I left (I was originally underpaid, but still).

clifanatic 10y ago

Been programming for 25 years, 8 different employers. The only time I've ever gotten anything besides a COL increase was when I switched jobs.

dsp1234 10y ago

There are also social dynamics and logical fallacies at play. For example, we brought on a front end developer who was about 1 year out of college and hadn't done much. After 3 years, he had devoured basically everything on the front end, but he hadn't gotten much of a raise, but was leading a team in addition to his own work. An internal position opened up that would have been a promotion for him, and when I talked to the person hiring, I got a response of "What are you talking about? He's fresh out of college". Few in the company could see past their mental model of him even though he'd grown past it by far. He wasn't able to break away from those pre-conceived, and built up opinions. However, he left, got a new position for a quite a bit of a raise, and he's no longer known as 'that college kid'. In that way, it's like family dynamics. Being a 'kid sister' even though everyone is in their 40s, has 2 or more kids of their own, and the age gap is only 2 years. Replace your own unbreakable family dynamics here.

user5994461 10y ago
Yep. Seen it happens. The only path to right the wrong perception is to start anew elsewhere.

draw_down 10y ago

Yeah, that's been the received wisdom for a while now. Certainly true in my experience. Loyalty just doesn't work out for the employee. Firms know they do this and most of them don't care. The only exception I know for sure is Netflix.