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I believe prostitution should be legal, but I think the issue is still tied to trafficking. It's a lot more difficult to ensure that people are there consensua

by verbify 10y ago

I believe prostitution should be legal, but I think the issue is still tied to trafficking. It's a lot more difficult to ensure that people are there consensually when brothels are driven underground. How can we possibly police every single 'massage parlour'. On the other hand, legal brothels could have an extra tax that paid for social workers that ensured the brothels were compliant - that sex workers weren't intimidated by their customers or bosses. It will also lead to healthier outcomes - we can then test people to make sure diseases weren't being spread. Unfortunately people learn nothing from sex-ed stats - 'abstinence only' makes thing worse.

euyyn 10y ago
> legal brothels could have an extra tax that paid for social workers that ensured the brothels were compliant Then why would an underground "massage parlour" want to go legal?
- mcphage 10y ago
  > Then why would an underground "massage parlour" want to go legal? It wouldn't, but why would a person go to an underground "massage parlor" when there are cleaner, less skeevy, fully legal alternates? Just like legit legal music sources online cut back music sharing, legit brothels may cut back the demand for underground alternates.
worik 10y ago
We have legal prostitution in my country (Aotearoa). We do have some problems with trafficked sex workers, but the police investigate them as crimes. The other prostitutes can cooperate with the police without fear.
- ad-hominem 10y ago
  Since I had to look it up, everybody else in the world calls this place New Zealand.
- 0really 10y ago
  You could just have written New Zealand. Practically nobody knows what Aotearoa is.
  - disordinary 10y ago
    It's an official name for the country, he should have probably put (NZ) in brackets though. I'd like to see a private members bill for a referendum to get rid of the name New Zealand much like how Australia got rid of New Holland. Probably to coincide with the country leaving the commonwealth and becoming a republic and getting a new flag. However, on topic, legalising prostitution means that prostitutes operate from licensed facilities that must confirm to workplace safety and health codes, it means the prostitutes and clients both have protection under consumer law as well as regular law and can go to the disputes tribunal or police if there are any issues. You control underage prostitution and human trafficking because people who operate must be licensed and audited. Most consumers would go to licensed facilities because they operate completely in the open (even as crass as having big neon signs with SEX written on them), and are easy to find, street prostitution is illegal as are unlicensed brothels and both seem to have disapeared.
taxicabjesus 10y ago
> It's a lot more difficult to ensure that people are there consensually when brothels are driven underground. What is consent? Early in my taxi driving career I had a passenger who was certainly a 'working girl', and she didn't seem to have enjoyed herself much... And she certainly wouldn't have spent the night at that hotel if she wasn't economically stressed. Usually women who enter that profession do so because they need the money - not always, but usually. I sent some non-verbal compassion and understanding her way. Indeed, some of Jesus of Nazareth's ("who became the Christ") best friends were working girls. - http://www.taxiwars.org/2012/03/day-12-working-girl.html http://www.taxiwars.org/2012/03/day-12-working-girl.html
- howeyc 10y ago
  I know a lot of people who do work they don't enjoy. Does entering a career only for the good pay become bad, and something we must outlaw, or attempt to stop all the time, or just for professions that involves sex-related activities?
- aninhumer 10y ago
  If people are sufficiently economically stressed that they'll do things they hate for money, I think that's primarily a problem with the society. It might seem more acute when it's prostitution, rather than cleaning a toilet, but ultimately it's the same problem.
- chefkoch 10y ago
  If i didn't need the money i wouldn't work for 50+ hours a week....
  - Avshalom 10y ago
    To be fair you probably don't ""need"" the money. I know of plenty of women with two+ children working for <$13 an hour.
- tomjen3 10y ago
  Let's fire all cleaning staff, sewer workers and customer support personnel. Then they will be happy.

by verbify 10y ago

euyyn 10y ago

> legal brothels could have an extra tax that paid for social workers that ensured the brothels were compliant Then why would an underground "massage parlour" want to go legal?

mcphage 10y ago
> Then why would an underground "massage parlour" want to go legal? It wouldn't, but why would a person go to an underground "massage parlor" when there are cleaner, less skeevy, fully legal alternates? Just like legit legal music sources online cut back music sharing, legit brothels may cut back the demand for underground alternates.

worik 10y ago

We have legal prostitution in my country (Aotearoa). We do have some problems with trafficked sex workers, but the police investigate them as crimes. The other prostitutes can cooperate with the police without fear.

ad-hominem 10y ago
Since I had to look it up, everybody else in the world calls this place New Zealand.
0really 10y ago
You could just have written New Zealand. Practically nobody knows what Aotearoa is.
- disordinary 10y ago
  It's an official name for the country, he should have probably put (NZ) in brackets though. I'd like to see a private members bill for a referendum to get rid of the name New Zealand much like how Australia got rid of New Holland. Probably to coincide with the country leaving the commonwealth and becoming a republic and getting a new flag. However, on topic, legalising prostitution means that prostitutes operate from licensed facilities that must confirm to workplace safety and health codes, it means the prostitutes and clients both have protection under consumer law as well as regular law and can go to the disputes tribunal or police if there are any issues. You control underage prostitution and human trafficking because people who operate must be licensed and audited. Most consumers would go to licensed facilities because they operate completely in the open (even as crass as having big neon signs with SEX written on them), and are easy to find, street prostitution is illegal as are unlicensed brothels and both seem to have disapeared.

taxicabjesus 10y ago

> It's a lot more difficult to ensure that people are there consensually when brothels are driven underground. What is consent? Early in my taxi driving career I had a passenger who was certainly a 'working girl', and she didn't seem to have enjoyed herself much... And she certainly wouldn't have spent the night at that hotel if she wasn't economically stressed. Usually women who enter that profession do so because they need the money - not always, but usually. I sent some non-verbal compassion and understanding her way. Indeed, some of Jesus of Nazareth's ("who became the Christ") best friends were working girls. - http://www.taxiwars.org/2012/03/day-12-working-girl.html http://www.taxiwars.org/2012/03/day-12-working-girl.html

howeyc 10y ago
I know a lot of people who do work they don't enjoy. Does entering a career only for the good pay become bad, and something we must outlaw, or attempt to stop all the time, or just for professions that involves sex-related activities?
aninhumer 10y ago
If people are sufficiently economically stressed that they'll do things they hate for money, I think that's primarily a problem with the society. It might seem more acute when it's prostitution, rather than cleaning a toilet, but ultimately it's the same problem.
chefkoch 10y ago
If i didn't need the money i wouldn't work for 50+ hours a week....
- Avshalom 10y ago
  To be fair you probably don't ""need"" the money. I know of plenty of women with two+ children working for <$13 an hour.
tomjen3 10y ago
Let's fire all cleaning staff, sewer workers and customer support personnel. Then they will be happy.