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Is it only the raspberry pi which sees effort to have upstream kernel support? Or are there any other similar boards doing better than the pi?

Uberphallus 10y ago
If you don't care about graphics, i.MX6 boards are pretty well supported.
- carussell 10y ago
  There's a lot of uncertainty about how long that will last since NXP/Freescale is now Qualcomm's manufacturing arm.
brudgers 10y ago
My take is that nobody is doing better than Pi in terms of the community Pi targets, e.g. students, amateurs and greenhorns alongside professionals. There's a critical mass with Pi that attracts industry players to be on the platform with what counts for decent support in the embedded world, e.g. Microsoft and Canonical. For me, that's worth $15 per board.
- geezerjay 10y ago
  > For me, that's worth $15 per board. Unfortunately, the Raspberry Pi 3 sells for over 50€ per board. The Raspberry Pi zero, in spite of being marketed as a 10€ computer, in practice can't be purchased at all.
  - brudgers 10y ago
    In the US, the Pi 3 runs about $35 on Amazon. VAT may effect pricing in other places.
  - Tepix 10y ago
    The Raspberry Pi Zero has been in stock for the last couple of weeks. Look at http://www.whereismypizero.com/ http://www.whereismypizero.com/
    - blacksmith_tb 10y ago
      The Zero is a very different devboard, though - you will need to invest in assorted adapters and hubs if you want to connect it to just about anything other than power... it is useful in small spaces, but for anything else spending a little more to get something like the CHIP is well worth it, and for use a small PC, going to the RPi 3 is probably wiser.
      - Florin_Andrei 10y ago
        Yup, that's how it's supposed to be. Want to make a micro-computer? Get the RPi 3. Want to make a robot or drone? Get the RPi Zero.
    - noonespecial 10y ago
      "THIS PRODUCT IS LIMITED TO 1 UNIT PER CUSTOMER" Always. Everywhere. Wanted 25 units to teach a robot class to some local kids at the Hackerspace. Had to buy 3's instead. Even if I'd placed 25 separate orders, the cost of individual shipping on each vs the cost savings of the combined shipping on the 3's put the price within spitting distance. Pi zero is an ad. A loss leader. A way to have an answer, any answer, to the flood of $7 Allwinner wonder-boards on AliExpress.
  - whiskers 10y ago
    The Raspberry Pi 3 is available from many vendors for $35 + sales taxes. You can pick it up on our site for £32 including VAT (that's EUR30 before taxes or EUR36 including taxes): https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3 https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3
Zekio 10y ago
the Pine64's kernel support is basically being done entirely by a community member
- webaholic 10y ago
  Is the graphics driver also being worked upon? I think Pine64 uses mali which is not well supported by upstream.
mmebane 10y ago
ODroid C2 and XU4 have been making progress, though last I saw they weren't really stable yet. I think HardKernel, the manufacturer, is providing some level of support for the mainlining effort. Next Thing says the C.H.I.P. (or at least the C.H.I.P. Pro) runs mainline Linux, but that's not really comparable to the current Raspberry Pi.
- jandrese 10y ago
  Does it have support for the graphics though? That's the first big stumbling block these alternate SBCs run into. Without support for graphics acceleration you won't be able to play video properly or run fancy desktop apps. It's a huge drawback these days.
  - odesian 10y ago
    I believe C.H.I.P. does now.
    - jandrese 10y ago
      In a pre-alpha driver as I recall.
thom_nic 10y ago
Texas Instruments am335x also is a popular chip with upstream support (Beaglebone Black & Olinuxino am3352-som and quite a few other vendors have modules based on it.) If you want a canonical list, look in the kernel arch/arm/boot/dts source: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/arch/arm/boot/dts?id=refs/tags/v4.4.30 https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-st... Actually it looks like there are quite a few Allwinner devices listed (look for sun__...)

Uberphallus 10y ago

If you don't care about graphics, i.MX6 boards are pretty well supported.

carussell 10y ago
There's a lot of uncertainty about how long that will last since NXP/Freescale is now Qualcomm's manufacturing arm.

brudgers 10y ago

My take is that nobody is doing better than Pi in terms of the community Pi targets, e.g. students, amateurs and greenhorns alongside professionals. There's a critical mass with Pi that attracts industry players to be on the platform with what counts for decent support in the embedded world, e.g. Microsoft and Canonical. For me, that's worth $15 per board.

geezerjay 10y ago
> For me, that's worth $15 per board. Unfortunately, the Raspberry Pi 3 sells for over 50€ per board. The Raspberry Pi zero, in spite of being marketed as a 10€ computer, in practice can't be purchased at all.
- brudgers 10y ago
  In the US, the Pi 3 runs about $35 on Amazon. VAT may effect pricing in other places.
- Tepix 10y ago
  The Raspberry Pi Zero has been in stock for the last couple of weeks. Look at http://www.whereismypizero.com/ http://www.whereismypizero.com/
  - blacksmith_tb 10y ago
    The Zero is a very different devboard, though - you will need to invest in assorted adapters and hubs if you want to connect it to just about anything other than power... it is useful in small spaces, but for anything else spending a little more to get something like the CHIP is well worth it, and for use a small PC, going to the RPi 3 is probably wiser.
    - Florin_Andrei 10y ago
      Yup, that's how it's supposed to be. Want to make a micro-computer? Get the RPi 3. Want to make a robot or drone? Get the RPi Zero.
  - noonespecial 10y ago
    "THIS PRODUCT IS LIMITED TO 1 UNIT PER CUSTOMER" Always. Everywhere. Wanted 25 units to teach a robot class to some local kids at the Hackerspace. Had to buy 3's instead. Even if I'd placed 25 separate orders, the cost of individual shipping on each vs the cost savings of the combined shipping on the 3's put the price within spitting distance. Pi zero is an ad. A loss leader. A way to have an answer, any answer, to the flood of $7 Allwinner wonder-boards on AliExpress.
- whiskers 10y ago
  The Raspberry Pi 3 is available from many vendors for $35 + sales taxes. You can pick it up on our site for £32 including VAT (that's EUR30 before taxes or EUR36 including taxes): https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3 https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/raspberry-pi-3

Zekio 10y ago

the Pine64's kernel support is basically being done entirely by a community member

webaholic 10y ago
Is the graphics driver also being worked upon? I think Pine64 uses mali which is not well supported by upstream.

mmebane 10y ago

ODroid C2 and XU4 have been making progress, though last I saw they weren't really stable yet. I think HardKernel, the manufacturer, is providing some level of support for the mainlining effort. Next Thing says the C.H.I.P. (or at least the C.H.I.P. Pro) runs mainline Linux, but that's not really comparable to the current Raspberry Pi.

jandrese 10y ago
Does it have support for the graphics though? That's the first big stumbling block these alternate SBCs run into. Without support for graphics acceleration you won't be able to play video properly or run fancy desktop apps. It's a huge drawback these days.
- odesian 10y ago
  I believe C.H.I.P. does now.
  - jandrese 10y ago
    In a pre-alpha driver as I recall.

thom_nic 10y ago

Texas Instruments am335x also is a popular chip with upstream support (Beaglebone Black & Olinuxino am3352-som and quite a few other vendors have modules based on it.) If you want a canonical list, look in the kernel arch/arm/boot/dts source: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/arch/arm/boot/dts?id=refs/tags/v4.4.30 https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-st... Actually it looks like there are quite a few Allwinner devices listed (look for sun__...)