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No. I never said that there's no problem. Rape is a problem. But what I'm against is trying to spin it as something of an extraordinary problem, or making India

No. I never said that there's no problem. Rape is a problem. But what I'm against is trying to spin it as something of an extraordinary problem, or making India into some special case.

jimmywanger 10y ago
Really? In western countries, rape, molestation and catcalling is generally frowned upon. You have a term for it - "eve teasing". Also, you guys tend to have a big slant towards victim shaming - no decent woman will get raped. This is generally in the countryside. In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers. So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape. Don't muddy the waters with other matters of sexual misconduct. We're talking about India here.
- thevardanian 10y ago
  I'm currently traveling to India from the states, and this is exactly why I'm against trying to characterize India as a "special" extraordinary case. You're just proving my point as to why building this kind of narrative is dangerous. Even the majority of mythologies, and social perceptions don't victim blame in the case of rape so I don't know where this "no decent woman will get raped" is coming from. However I will admit that there's still a perception that going out at night is dangerous which, even as a guy, I subscribe to for the most part. It is nullified if I'm going with others, and depending on the area. Unfortunately there's still a social stigma associated to the rape victim, which is changing. "So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape." What a load of bullocks. There's a "qualitative difference" between the crimes of all countries as all crimes are dependent on their specific geographies, culture, and people, which all invariably change. This is the case even in the USA. "In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers." Based on what? One anecdotal case? Or based on what statistic? Or is it just manufactured? I mean what proof do you have to actually make it a valid claim?
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    > There's a "qualitative difference" between the crimes of all countries as all crimes are dependent on their specific geographies, culture, and people, which all invariably change. That's a specious argument. There are differences between crimes of all cultures, and there are similarities. One huge difference is that rape videos are widely distributed and sold in India, without much social condemnation. That indicates a level of acceptance and social integration not present in most other countries. http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/asia/2016/10/al-jazeera-purchased-rape-videos-india-161024081358345.html http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/asia/2016/10/al-jazeera-purch... > Based on what? http://qz.com/346172/what-countries-around-the-world-tell-women-planning-to-visit-india/ http://qz.com/346172/what-countries-around-the-world-tell-wo... The travel advisories are out there. Not just rape, but lewd acts and molestations. Are these travel advisories well founded? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact is that they exist.

No. I never said that there's no problem. Rape is a problem. But what I'm against is trying to spin it as something of an extraordinary problem, or making India into some special case.

jimmywanger 10y ago

Really? In western countries, rape, molestation and catcalling is generally frowned upon. You have a term for it - "eve teasing". Also, you guys tend to have a big slant towards victim shaming - no decent woman will get raped. This is generally in the countryside. In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers. So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape. Don't muddy the waters with other matters of sexual misconduct. We're talking about India here.

thevardanian 10y ago
I'm currently traveling to India from the states, and this is exactly why I'm against trying to characterize India as a "special" extraordinary case. You're just proving my point as to why building this kind of narrative is dangerous. Even the majority of mythologies, and social perceptions don't victim blame in the case of rape so I don't know where this "no decent woman will get raped" is coming from. However I will admit that there's still a perception that going out at night is dangerous which, even as a guy, I subscribe to for the most part. It is nullified if I'm going with others, and depending on the area. Unfortunately there's still a social stigma associated to the rape victim, which is changing. "So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape." What a load of bullocks. There's a "qualitative difference" between the crimes of all countries as all crimes are dependent on their specific geographies, culture, and people, which all invariably change. This is the case even in the USA. "In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers." Based on what? One anecdotal case? Or based on what statistic? Or is it just manufactured? I mean what proof do you have to actually make it a valid claim?
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > There's a "qualitative difference" between the crimes of all countries as all crimes are dependent on their specific geographies, culture, and people, which all invariably change. That's a specious argument. There are differences between crimes of all cultures, and there are similarities. One huge difference is that rape videos are widely distributed and sold in India, without much social condemnation. That indicates a level of acceptance and social integration not present in most other countries. http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/asia/2016/10/al-jazeera-purchased-rape-videos-india-161024081358345.html http://www.aljazeera.com/blogs/asia/2016/10/al-jazeera-purch... > Based on what? http://qz.com/346172/what-countries-around-the-world-tell-women-planning-to-visit-india/ http://qz.com/346172/what-countries-around-the-world-tell-wo... The travel advisories are out there. Not just rape, but lewd acts and molestations. Are these travel advisories well founded? Maybe, maybe not. But the fact is that they exist.