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No, you aren't contrarian. Remove timezones, and it still doesn't help me sort out if it's morning in Italy yet, or if business hours have started. In fact, it'

No, you aren't contrarian. Remove timezones, and it still doesn't help me sort out if it's morning in Italy yet, or if business hours have started. In fact, it's more difficult, since I'd then have to figure out what Italian business hours are.

stouset 10y ago
You still have to figure out what Italian business hours are in the current system. Do they show up to work at 9? 8? 10? I don't know, do you?
- aomega08 10y ago
  Most schools and public offices open at 8 am. Factories and offices usually run business from 9 to 18, but YMMV ;)
- the_watcher 10y ago
  I know that Italian business hours do not start at 18:00:00. That's absolutely not a fair example.
inimino 10y ago
It becomes slightly easier. You need to know when morning is in Italy (the time zone offset in the current system, in the new system this would be a "solar offset") and when businesses open. It would become a little easier because you and an Italian would both use the same numbers to describe those two facts.
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lmm 10y ago
> No, you aren't contrarian. Remove timezones, and it still doesn't help me sort out if it's morning in Italy yet, or if business hours have started. In fact, it's more difficult, since I'd then have to figure out what Italian business hours are. It's the same amount of effort either way - either you look up the timezone for Italy or you look up the business hours for Italy. The difference is there are fewer opportunities for mistakes. In particular if you get the lookup wrong (e.g. you looked up India instead of Italy by mistake), the other party notices your mistake and can correct you.
- the_watcher 10y ago
  No, if someone tells me it is 10 am in Italy, I know what time it is there. If you tell me it's 17:00 UTC, I have no idea what that is without looking it up.
  - lmm 10y ago
    > if someone tells me it is 10 am in Italy, I know what time it is there. Right, but they've still had to look it up. And if they looked it up last week, they'll be wrong this week.

stouset 10y ago

You still have to figure out what Italian business hours are in the current system. Do they show up to work at 9? 8? 10? I don't know, do you?

aomega08 10y ago
Most schools and public offices open at 8 am. Factories and offices usually run business from 9 to 18, but YMMV ;)
the_watcher 10y ago
I know that Italian business hours do not start at 18:00:00. That's absolutely not a fair example.

inimino 10y ago

It becomes slightly easier. You need to know when morning is in Italy (the time zone offset in the current system, in the new system this would be a "solar offset") and when businesses open. It would become a little easier because you and an Italian would both use the same numbers to describe those two facts.

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lmm 10y ago

> No, you aren't contrarian. Remove timezones, and it still doesn't help me sort out if it's morning in Italy yet, or if business hours have started. In fact, it's more difficult, since I'd then have to figure out what Italian business hours are. It's the same amount of effort either way - either you look up the timezone for Italy or you look up the business hours for Italy. The difference is there are fewer opportunities for mistakes. In particular if you get the lookup wrong (e.g. you looked up India instead of Italy by mistake), the other party notices your mistake and can correct you.

the_watcher 10y ago
No, if someone tells me it is 10 am in Italy, I know what time it is there. If you tell me it's 17:00 UTC, I have no idea what that is without looking it up.
- lmm 10y ago
  > if someone tells me it is 10 am in Italy, I know what time it is there. Right, but they've still had to look it up. And if they looked it up last week, they'll be wrong this week.