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"climate change deniers" What does that mean and how is it relevant? CO2 is not causing the smog and elevated PM 2.5/10 levels in Delhi.

legolas2412 10y ago
Ahh but the smog problem can be fixed. Our politicians are just not motivated to solve it. Global warming on the other hand. CO2 has ruined the planet permanently.
- guscost 10y ago
  I downvoted your other comment, because as someone who doesn't often agree with mainstream environmentalism, I've been called a "problem" or a "denier" or whatever many times in the past, usually by people who seem to think that I don't understand or care to learn some indisputable truth. I'm constantly seeking out information about this and other science from all manner of sources, and constantly trying to re-evaluate my beliefs and stay rational. You call for America to "fix education" but your own tone is overwhelmingly condescending. You must realize that rhetoric like yours alienates precisely those who want to hear new perspectives. And then not an hour later, you imply that there would be no point in trying to "educate" people like myself because it is too late and the planet is now ruined. Go figure. Just curious, what is your opinion on nuclear fission as a large-scale energy source?
  - LargeCompanies 10y ago
    Do you not know that in these circles you must believe in.. 1. Climate change 2. Vote for Clinton It's America and Silly Valley says you must think like they do otherwise your a deplorable! Please come back when you have learned how to be a good silly valley robot! It's America after all...
  - legolas2412 10y ago
    Well, with all the scientific knowledge and education you can get in USA, you guys still believe that GMO are harmful (while they can solve world hunger), have tons of anti-vaccers, flat-earthers, young earth creationist and climate change deniers. You are welcome to question the current wisdom, but to take a non sensical position not supported by any scientific reasoning is not seeking out information. Nuclear is the cleanest energy as per records, and causes far less deaths/cancer than coal etc. However, I don't expect a country like India to implement all the precautions and take care of maintenance, when even Japan didn't do due procedures. I would take wind and solar over any other form of energy.
    - guscost 10y ago
      > you guys still believe I believe this is your error in a nutshell. The American environmentalist movement alone has pro- and anti-vaccine factions, pro- and anti-GMO factions, and pro- and anti-nuclear factions. If you lump these people together with various other political and religious groups, just about any sweeping judgement you make is going to be wrong. I don't want to get any more confrontational about this, but the world is much more complicated than you seem to think it is, and most people don't fit into your stereotypes. The current wisdom is just that, it is not the only position that will ever make any sense, and carrying on as if it is will only make you look foolish in the long term. About nuclear power, those are good points. I'd point out that at least Japan did build passive-safe reactors, and at least to our knowledge no one has been hurt yet by the Fukushima incident. Any community without effective building codes is definitely not the place for that kind of project, though. I like wind and solar as useful tools, but I question some of our current policies which can incentivize using them even where engineering would suggest better options. In any case this is the kind of stuff I'm actually interested in talking about. I'm not sure what is the best way to address this air problem in Indian and Chinese cities, but the status quo is horrible (burning wood and coal, and running unfiltered diesel engines). Using energy in more efficient and prudent ways might be their best bet in the short term, but that kind of progress is very hard to manage at scale.
    - cgvgffyv 10y ago
      > you guys still believe that GMO are harmful (while they can solve world hunger), have tons of anti-vaccers, flat-earthers, young earth creationist and climate change deniers You do realise there's 300 million people in the US, yes?
      - legolas2412 10y ago
        yes, and I didn't mean to imply that all of them are idiots. But an unreasonable number are, given the widespread access to education. Education seems to be wasted on maybe 30% of the US population. That seems all right to you? Or maybe I should conduct a study?

legolas2412 10y ago

Ahh but the smog problem can be fixed. Our politicians are just not motivated to solve it. Global warming on the other hand. CO2 has ruined the planet permanently.

guscost 10y ago
I downvoted your other comment, because as someone who doesn't often agree with mainstream environmentalism, I've been called a "problem" or a "denier" or whatever many times in the past, usually by people who seem to think that I don't understand or care to learn some indisputable truth. I'm constantly seeking out information about this and other science from all manner of sources, and constantly trying to re-evaluate my beliefs and stay rational. You call for America to "fix education" but your own tone is overwhelmingly condescending. You must realize that rhetoric like yours alienates precisely those who want to hear new perspectives. And then not an hour later, you imply that there would be no point in trying to "educate" people like myself because it is too late and the planet is now ruined. Go figure. Just curious, what is your opinion on nuclear fission as a large-scale energy source?
- LargeCompanies 10y ago
  Do you not know that in these circles you must believe in.. 1. Climate change 2. Vote for Clinton It's America and Silly Valley says you must think like they do otherwise your a deplorable! Please come back when you have learned how to be a good silly valley robot! It's America after all...
- legolas2412 10y ago
  Well, with all the scientific knowledge and education you can get in USA, you guys still believe that GMO are harmful (while they can solve world hunger), have tons of anti-vaccers, flat-earthers, young earth creationist and climate change deniers. You are welcome to question the current wisdom, but to take a non sensical position not supported by any scientific reasoning is not seeking out information. Nuclear is the cleanest energy as per records, and causes far less deaths/cancer than coal etc. However, I don't expect a country like India to implement all the precautions and take care of maintenance, when even Japan didn't do due procedures. I would take wind and solar over any other form of energy.
  - guscost 10y ago
    > you guys still believe I believe this is your error in a nutshell. The American environmentalist movement alone has pro- and anti-vaccine factions, pro- and anti-GMO factions, and pro- and anti-nuclear factions. If you lump these people together with various other political and religious groups, just about any sweeping judgement you make is going to be wrong. I don't want to get any more confrontational about this, but the world is much more complicated than you seem to think it is, and most people don't fit into your stereotypes. The current wisdom is just that, it is not the only position that will ever make any sense, and carrying on as if it is will only make you look foolish in the long term. About nuclear power, those are good points. I'd point out that at least Japan did build passive-safe reactors, and at least to our knowledge no one has been hurt yet by the Fukushima incident. Any community without effective building codes is definitely not the place for that kind of project, though. I like wind and solar as useful tools, but I question some of our current policies which can incentivize using them even where engineering would suggest better options. In any case this is the kind of stuff I'm actually interested in talking about. I'm not sure what is the best way to address this air problem in Indian and Chinese cities, but the status quo is horrible (burning wood and coal, and running unfiltered diesel engines). Using energy in more efficient and prudent ways might be their best bet in the short term, but that kind of progress is very hard to manage at scale.
  - cgvgffyv 10y ago
    > you guys still believe that GMO are harmful (while they can solve world hunger), have tons of anti-vaccers, flat-earthers, young earth creationist and climate change deniers You do realise there's 300 million people in the US, yes?
    - legolas2412 10y ago
      yes, and I didn't mean to imply that all of them are idiots. But an unreasonable number are, given the widespread access to education. Education seems to be wasted on maybe 30% of the US population. That seems all right to you? Or maybe I should conduct a study?