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> They can't solve the rape problems Just FYI, rape happens in the USA too (cf. Brock Turner). No government can "solve" the rape problem.

Matachines 10y ago
you can't seriously believe indias rape problem is "normal" or that it's not an issue compared to other countries. It's an order of magnitude worse.
- Brig303 10y ago
  What are the 10 things you'd do to solve it?
- 1024core 10y ago
  Please, tell me how you can make a claim that "it's an order of magnitude worse". I grew up in India. I had a decent number of Indian women as friends, who were close enough that they'd tell me very personal details. Not one of them ever mentioned being assaulted to me. I then moved to the US. And about 1 in 5 women I've come to know have told me that they were assaulted. This ties in well with the official statistics[1], which works to roughly 500,000 women being raped per year. On the other side, here's a news article claiming that ~34,000 women were raped in India in 2015 [2]. In a country with ~500 million women, that's a pretty small number (with the caveat that even 1 rape is 1 too many, in my view). So please, enlighten us with where you got your "order of magnitude more" number from. [1] http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape-reported-2015-160831140518208.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape...
  - X86BSD 10y ago
    It's an order of magnitude worse because we don't have "indias daughter" types of barbaric savage animalistic rapes/torture/murders occurring almost with shocking frequency. The level of barbarism inflicted on women in India during acts of rape is chilling. Like Isis levels of savagery. That's how it's an order of magnitude worse. And rarely is anyone charged let alone convicted for such brutality.
    - 1024core 10y ago
      The problem with using such anecdotes is that they appeal to emotion but are irrational. In the years since I moved to San Francisco, there have been plenty of such cases in just this little area. Example: [1] And don't even get me started on the rapes of little boys committed by Catholic priests, all over the country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang...
  - gnipgnip 10y ago
    This ties well with my experience as well.
thinkmassive 10y ago
The difference is that an investigation is conducted when it's reported in the U.S. If a perpetrator is identified then charges are brought against them. That provides a strong incentive for sane people not to commit rape, which doesn't really exist in India.
- thevardanian 10y ago
  Yeah. I just don't see the rape "epidemic" at a personal level here in India. It's not even a valid claim at a statistical level. Just go to Rishikesh, or Rajasthan and you'll find a large number of tourists that are solo-female travelers from abroad. As for police investigation the state I live in is quite strict. So much so that even a mere accusation can get you thrown into jail and ruin your life. So charges are brought against the perpetrators, and the judicial system is continuously improving. To say that "it doesn't exist" is a blatant hyperbole that honestly I believe reeks of malicious intent. As characterizing India's situation as special, or extraordinary in comparison to any first-world country is extremely dishonest. So while Rape is most definitely a problem, and the judicial system in India is especially lacking, the criminality is not.

Matachines 10y ago

you can't seriously believe indias rape problem is "normal" or that it's not an issue compared to other countries. It's an order of magnitude worse.

Brig303 10y ago
What are the 10 things you'd do to solve it?
1024core 10y ago
Please, tell me how you can make a claim that "it's an order of magnitude worse". I grew up in India. I had a decent number of Indian women as friends, who were close enough that they'd tell me very personal details. Not one of them ever mentioned being assaulted to me. I then moved to the US. And about 1 in 5 women I've come to know have told me that they were assaulted. This ties in well with the official statistics[1], which works to roughly 500,000 women being raped per year. On the other side, here's a news article claiming that ~34,000 women were raped in India in 2015 [2]. In a country with ~500 million women, that's a pretty small number (with the caveat that even 1 rape is 1 too many, in my view). So please, enlighten us with where you got your "order of magnitude more" number from. [1] http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape-reported-2015-160831140518208.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape...
- X86BSD 10y ago
  It's an order of magnitude worse because we don't have "indias daughter" types of barbaric savage animalistic rapes/torture/murders occurring almost with shocking frequency. The level of barbarism inflicted on women in India during acts of rape is chilling. Like Isis levels of savagery. That's how it's an order of magnitude worse. And rarely is anyone charged let alone convicted for such brutality.
  - 1024core 10y ago
    The problem with using such anecdotes is that they appeal to emotion but are irrational. In the years since I moved to San Francisco, there have been plenty of such cases in just this little area. Example: [1] And don't even get me started on the rapes of little boys committed by Catholic priests, all over the country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang...
- gnipgnip 10y ago
  This ties well with my experience as well.

thinkmassive 10y ago

The difference is that an investigation is conducted when it's reported in the U.S. If a perpetrator is identified then charges are brought against them. That provides a strong incentive for sane people not to commit rape, which doesn't really exist in India.

thevardanian 10y ago
Yeah. I just don't see the rape "epidemic" at a personal level here in India. It's not even a valid claim at a statistical level. Just go to Rishikesh, or Rajasthan and you'll find a large number of tourists that are solo-female travelers from abroad. As for police investigation the state I live in is quite strict. So much so that even a mere accusation can get you thrown into jail and ruin your life. So charges are brought against the perpetrators, and the judicial system is continuously improving. To say that "it doesn't exist" is a blatant hyperbole that honestly I believe reeks of malicious intent. As characterizing India's situation as special, or extraordinary in comparison to any first-world country is extremely dishonest. So while Rape is most definitely a problem, and the judicial system in India is especially lacking, the criminality is not.