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The government doesn't really rule in India. It's a circus show. They can't solve the rape problems, poverty, crime, pollution. They lack any power to enforce

by X86BSD 10y ago

The government doesn't really rule in India. It's a circus show. They can't solve the rape problems, poverty, crime, pollution. They lack any power to enforce any laws on the people when the cops are constantly on the take for bribes, no one trusts the police, you're laughed at by the police when filing a report or they refuse to take the report. Again I'm not sure that anything is keeping the country afloat other than the good nature of the people to simply survive.

1024core 10y ago
> They can't solve the rape problems Just FYI, rape happens in the USA too (cf. Brock Turner). No government can "solve" the rape problem.
- Matachines 10y ago
  you can't seriously believe indias rape problem is "normal" or that it's not an issue compared to other countries. It's an order of magnitude worse.
  - Brig303 10y ago
    What are the 10 things you'd do to solve it?
  - 1024core 10y ago
    Please, tell me how you can make a claim that "it's an order of magnitude worse". I grew up in India. I had a decent number of Indian women as friends, who were close enough that they'd tell me very personal details. Not one of them ever mentioned being assaulted to me. I then moved to the US. And about 1 in 5 women I've come to know have told me that they were assaulted. This ties in well with the official statistics[1], which works to roughly 500,000 women being raped per year. On the other side, here's a news article claiming that ~34,000 women were raped in India in 2015 [2]. In a country with ~500 million women, that's a pretty small number (with the caveat that even 1 rape is 1 too many, in my view). So please, enlighten us with where you got your "order of magnitude more" number from. [1] http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape-reported-2015-160831140518208.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape...
    - X86BSD 10y ago
      It's an order of magnitude worse because we don't have "indias daughter" types of barbaric savage animalistic rapes/torture/murders occurring almost with shocking frequency. The level of barbarism inflicted on women in India during acts of rape is chilling. Like Isis levels of savagery. That's how it's an order of magnitude worse. And rarely is anyone charged let alone convicted for such brutality.
      - 1024core 10y ago
        The problem with using such anecdotes is that they appeal to emotion but are irrational. In the years since I moved to San Francisco, there have been plenty of such cases in just this little area. Example: [1] And don't even get me started on the rapes of little boys committed by Catholic priests, all over the country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang...
    - gnipgnip 10y ago
      This ties well with my experience as well.
- thinkmassive 10y ago
  The difference is that an investigation is conducted when it's reported in the U.S. If a perpetrator is identified then charges are brought against them. That provides a strong incentive for sane people not to commit rape, which doesn't really exist in India.
  - thevardanian 10y ago
    Yeah. I just don't see the rape "epidemic" at a personal level here in India. It's not even a valid claim at a statistical level. Just go to Rishikesh, or Rajasthan and you'll find a large number of tourists that are solo-female travelers from abroad. As for police investigation the state I live in is quite strict. So much so that even a mere accusation can get you thrown into jail and ruin your life. So charges are brought against the perpetrators, and the judicial system is continuously improving. To say that "it doesn't exist" is a blatant hyperbole that honestly I believe reeks of malicious intent. As characterizing India's situation as special, or extraordinary in comparison to any first-world country is extremely dishonest. So while Rape is most definitely a problem, and the judicial system in India is especially lacking, the criminality is not.
dismantlethesun 10y ago
By this measure, the US during the great depression was a failed state.
thevardanian 10y ago
Yes America does have horrifying rape stories that continue to happen on a daily basis this includes gang rapes, serial killings, rapes, and forced sexual slavery. It's naive to believe that those aren't issues in America, just look at the prostitution gangs that spring up during the Super-Bowl. Look at the Toy Box serial killer. That just wasn't one guy. That was an entire gang that predatorily kidnapped women and tortured them for months on end. There are many other cases out there, but they don't get the same voice in the media.
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  It's amusing how instead of admitting there's a problem and moving on, you start distracting people by pointing a finger and saying "see, it's worse there!". That doesn't help anything. Both things aren't problems, you bringing up another country's problems doesn't make your country look better. It's like saying "Our country has illegal loan sharking? Well, your country has immoral bankers, so there!". Just muddying the waters is what you're doing.
  - thevardanian 10y ago
    No. I never said that there's no problem. Rape is a problem. But what I'm against is trying to spin it as something of an extraordinary problem, or making India into some special case.
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      Really? In western countries, rape, molestation and catcalling is generally frowned upon. You have a term for it - "eve teasing". Also, you guys tend to have a big slant towards victim shaming - no decent woman will get raped. This is generally in the countryside. In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers. So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape. Don't muddy the waters with other matters of sexual misconduct. We're talking about India here.
      - 10y ago

by X86BSD 10y ago

1024core 10y ago

> They can't solve the rape problems Just FYI, rape happens in the USA too (cf. Brock Turner). No government can "solve" the rape problem.

Matachines 10y ago
you can't seriously believe indias rape problem is "normal" or that it's not an issue compared to other countries. It's an order of magnitude worse.
- Brig303 10y ago
  What are the 10 things you'd do to solve it?
- 1024core 10y ago
  Please, tell me how you can make a claim that "it's an order of magnitude worse". I grew up in India. I had a decent number of Indian women as friends, who were close enough that they'd tell me very personal details. Not one of them ever mentioned being assaulted to me. I then moved to the US. And about 1 in 5 women I've come to know have told me that they were assaulted. This ties in well with the official statistics[1], which works to roughly 500,000 women being raped per year. On the other side, here's a news article claiming that ~34,000 women were raped in India in 2015 [2]. In a country with ~500 million women, that's a pretty small number (with the caveat that even 1 rape is 1 too many, in my view). So please, enlighten us with where you got your "order of magnitude more" number from. [1] http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_factsheet_media-packet_statistics-about-sexual-violence_0.pdf http://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/publications_nsvrc_... [2] http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape-reported-2015-160831140518208.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/08/india-34000-cases-rape...
  - X86BSD 10y ago
    It's an order of magnitude worse because we don't have "indias daughter" types of barbaric savage animalistic rapes/torture/murders occurring almost with shocking frequency. The level of barbarism inflicted on women in India during acts of rape is chilling. Like Isis levels of savagery. That's how it's an order of magnitude worse. And rarely is anyone charged let alone convicted for such brutality.
    - 1024core 10y ago
      The problem with using such anecdotes is that they appeal to emotion but are irrational. In the years since I moved to San Francisco, there have been plenty of such cases in just this little area. Example: [1] And don't even get me started on the rapes of little boys committed by Catholic priests, all over the country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang_rape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Richmond_High_School_gang...
  - gnipgnip 10y ago
    This ties well with my experience as well.
thinkmassive 10y ago
The difference is that an investigation is conducted when it's reported in the U.S. If a perpetrator is identified then charges are brought against them. That provides a strong incentive for sane people not to commit rape, which doesn't really exist in India.
- thevardanian 10y ago
  Yeah. I just don't see the rape "epidemic" at a personal level here in India. It's not even a valid claim at a statistical level. Just go to Rishikesh, or Rajasthan and you'll find a large number of tourists that are solo-female travelers from abroad. As for police investigation the state I live in is quite strict. So much so that even a mere accusation can get you thrown into jail and ruin your life. So charges are brought against the perpetrators, and the judicial system is continuously improving. To say that "it doesn't exist" is a blatant hyperbole that honestly I believe reeks of malicious intent. As characterizing India's situation as special, or extraordinary in comparison to any first-world country is extremely dishonest. So while Rape is most definitely a problem, and the judicial system in India is especially lacking, the criminality is not.

dismantlethesun 10y ago

By this measure, the US during the great depression was a failed state.

thevardanian 10y ago

Yes America does have horrifying rape stories that continue to happen on a daily basis this includes gang rapes, serial killings, rapes, and forced sexual slavery. It's naive to believe that those aren't issues in America, just look at the prostitution gangs that spring up during the Super-Bowl. Look at the Toy Box serial killer. That just wasn't one guy. That was an entire gang that predatorily kidnapped women and tortured them for months on end. There are many other cases out there, but they don't get the same voice in the media.

jimmywanger 10y ago
It's amusing how instead of admitting there's a problem and moving on, you start distracting people by pointing a finger and saying "see, it's worse there!". That doesn't help anything. Both things aren't problems, you bringing up another country's problems doesn't make your country look better. It's like saying "Our country has illegal loan sharking? Well, your country has immoral bankers, so there!". Just muddying the waters is what you're doing.
- thevardanian 10y ago
  No. I never said that there's no problem. Rape is a problem. But what I'm against is trying to spin it as something of an extraordinary problem, or making India into some special case.
  - jimmywanger 10y ago
    Really? In western countries, rape, molestation and catcalling is generally frowned upon. You have a term for it - "eve teasing". Also, you guys tend to have a big slant towards victim shaming - no decent woman will get raped. This is generally in the countryside. In the big cities, many countries have issued travel advisories because of rape to avoid India for female travelers. So yes, there is a qualitative difference between Indian rape and western rape. Don't muddy the waters with other matters of sexual misconduct. We're talking about India here.
    - 10y ago