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Maybe. It's not quite as simple as pumping liquid into a tank. There's all kinds of tech needed for high speed charging, both inside the car and outside. Standa

Maybe. It's not quite as simple as pumping liquid into a tank. There's all kinds of tech needed for high speed charging, both inside the car and outside. Standards will organically appear over time perhaps.

Waterluvian 10y ago
You're right. Which suggests its even more important to regulate a standard. Having a period of competing standards will delay the proliferation of electric vehicles by complicating the charging story.
- codeulike 10y ago
  But on the other hand regulating will hold back innovation
  - dangrossman 10y ago
    The standard's already set. BMW, Volkswagen, GM, Daimler, Ford, Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Maserati, Renault, Audi, Volvo, Porsche and Hyundai are already onboard with the Combined Charging System. It's governed by several international standards, and a standards committee that includes all those companies. Several cars from those makers already have the port (including the Bolt), and hundreds of CCS chargers have already been built in the US. This discussion is moot.
    - codeulike 10y ago
      But what if you have a bigger capacity battery (like a Tesla) and hence need to charge even faster than CCS allows (like superchargers do)? Edit: also, all those car companies combined sell fewer electric cars than Tesla. Why do they get to set the standard?
      - dangrossman 10y ago
        > need to charge even faster than CCS allows (like superchargers do)? CCS can charge just as fast, and faster, than Superchargers. That's not a limited by the shape of a plug or a communication protocol. CCS has been demonstrated at hundreds of kW already. > also, all those car companies combined sell fewer electric cars than Tesla. Why do they get to set the standard? So far this year, ~120K plug-in cars have been sold in the US, and Tesla only sold ~35K of them. > the world's second biggest seller of evs is Nissan, who use Chademo. Why choose CCS over Chademo? Because it's the better standard. It's just a J1772 plug, with two pins added. That means the car needs just one charging port no matter what you're plugging into it. CHAdeMO is a separate, very large connector for DC that has to be alongside the J1772 plug for AC. Given Renault recently joined the CCS group, and the Renault-Nissan CEO recently said Renault's EV tech would be coming to Nissan, CHAdeMO is likely going away in the US. Nissan was the last holdout once Hyundai switched over. -- P.S. Tesla joined CharIn, the group that sets the CCS standards, in March. They see where things are going too. http://www.charinev.org/members/our-members/ http://www.charinev.org/members/our-members/
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Waterluvian 10y ago

You're right. Which suggests its even more important to regulate a standard. Having a period of competing standards will delay the proliferation of electric vehicles by complicating the charging story.

codeulike 10y ago
But on the other hand regulating will hold back innovation
- dangrossman 10y ago
  The standard's already set. BMW, Volkswagen, GM, Daimler, Ford, Fiat, Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, Maserati, Renault, Audi, Volvo, Porsche and Hyundai are already onboard with the Combined Charging System. It's governed by several international standards, and a standards committee that includes all those companies. Several cars from those makers already have the port (including the Bolt), and hundreds of CCS chargers have already been built in the US. This discussion is moot.
  - codeulike 10y ago
    But what if you have a bigger capacity battery (like a Tesla) and hence need to charge even faster than CCS allows (like superchargers do)? Edit: also, all those car companies combined sell fewer electric cars than Tesla. Why do they get to set the standard?
    - dangrossman 10y ago
      > need to charge even faster than CCS allows (like superchargers do)? CCS can charge just as fast, and faster, than Superchargers. That's not a limited by the shape of a plug or a communication protocol. CCS has been demonstrated at hundreds of kW already. > also, all those car companies combined sell fewer electric cars than Tesla. Why do they get to set the standard? So far this year, ~120K plug-in cars have been sold in the US, and Tesla only sold ~35K of them. > the world's second biggest seller of evs is Nissan, who use Chademo. Why choose CCS over Chademo? Because it's the better standard. It's just a J1772 plug, with two pins added. That means the car needs just one charging port no matter what you're plugging into it. CHAdeMO is a separate, very large connector for DC that has to be alongside the J1772 plug for AC. Given Renault recently joined the CCS group, and the Renault-Nissan CEO recently said Renault's EV tech would be coming to Nissan, CHAdeMO is likely going away in the US. Nissan was the last holdout once Hyundai switched over. -- P.S. Tesla joined CharIn, the group that sets the CCS standards, in March. They see where things are going too. http://www.charinev.org/members/our-members/ http://www.charinev.org/members/our-members/
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