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Berlin's trains in North Korea.. On a side Note: The Stuttgart S-Bahn's can be found it Tunis. Has anyone encountered other trains in exile?

by wuschel 10y ago

Raed667 10y ago
Really? Where in Tunis? I'd love to try it
- wuschel 10y ago
  I drove them in 2002 Tunis to Sidi Bou Said. This link [1] has a picture of them, although I remember them being red. But human memory is flawed, for the bulky shape looks right ;) I witnessed a mass burglary/theft in the train, my friend to barely hold on to his rucksack. [1] https://www.visiting-africa.com/africa/tunisia/2010/03/trains-from-tunis-to-sidi-bou-said.html https://www.visiting-africa.com/africa/tunisia/2010/03/train...
  - Raed667 10y ago
    The "TGM" (Tunis, Goulette, Marsa) line. I think they're still using the same trains and colors (blue/white) until now. I've never been on it, but I've heard that incidents like that may happen once a year on those lines. PS: I think it's one of the only trains I saw that doesn't have the "closed-door" safety enabled. You can open the doors while it is on full speed and it doesn't matter.
riffraff 10y ago
There are trams from Milan in San Francisco, I think from other "friend cities" too.
- tomhoward 10y ago
  Yep, San Francisco also has two trams from Melbourne, Australia: http://www.streetcar.org/second_melbourne_tram_joins_f-line-fleet/ http://www.streetcar.org/second_melbourne_tram_joins_f-line-...
- robotmlg 10y ago
  SF Muni has streetcars from all over the world running on the F line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Municipal_Railway_fleet#Historic_streetcars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Municipal_Railwa...
  - fragmede 10y ago
    It's a lovey, romantic notion, but I want to note that SF Muni has put buses into service running the F line due to difficulty with keeping running stock, erm, running.
grundleborg 10y ago
The Isle of Wight uses retired former London Underground trains, which has given rise to rather wonderful instances like this: http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/steam-rescue-stranded-island-line-passengers http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/steam-rescue-stranded-islan...
anotherboffin 10y ago
> Has anyone encountered other trains in exile? IIRC old narrow-gauge Spanish trains are being used in San José, Costa Rica as they have opened a small number of train lines in these last 8-10 years.
Symbiote 10y ago
The original trains from the Docklands Light Railway in London are now in Essen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway_rolling_stock#P86_and_P89_rolling_stock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway_rollin... Canada has carriages originally intended to run overnight services through the Channel Tunnel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)#Via_Rail_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)#Via_Rail_Can...
jpatokal 10y ago
Sydney has trams snapped up from Malaga, Spain after they could no longer afford to run their system: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pain-in-spain-as-trams-head-to-sydney-20130710-2pr6f.html http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pain-in-spain-as-trams-head-to-syd...
- mcbridematt 10y ago
  They went back to Valez-Malaga rather quickly, the plastic seats were unpopular and the manufacturer facilitating the deal (CAF) offered a killer deal to replace all the older trams in the fleet with new ones.
cygned 10y ago
The TW 601, a prototype from 1970, has been in Canada (Vancouver and Edmonton) since 1975. It has been moved back to Hanover (Germany) this year. Some infos: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TW_601 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TW_601 (German article w/ picture) http://fahrtenbuch.uestra.de/601-die-rueckkehr/ http://fahrtenbuch.uestra.de/601-die-rueckkehr/ (Blog posts with pictures, just throw it in Google Translate)
Freak_NL 10y ago
I haven't encountered any, but I know that the homely one and two carriage diesel multiple unit trains (Wadlopers) that ran on the Northern lines in The Netherlands were shipped to Poland and even South America. Old diesel engine stock is popular in poorer countries that have a lot of unelectrified rural railway lines.
lb1lf 10y ago
Not a train, but years ago I found myself on a flight in the Republic of Congo - only to have this strange feeling that something was a bit odd. After a few minutes, I realized it was the faded sticker on the seatback in front of me - it said 'Livvest under setet dykkar' ('Life vest under your seat') in Norwegian - definitely not something you'd expect to see on a flight en route to Pointe-Noire! I checked the MFG # sign as I left the aircraft, and a few E-mails later I found the plane (A 737-200) had been sold for scrap in 1993 as it no longer complied with relevant noise regulations; it then made its way to the Congo by some dubious route and, to paraphrase the puzzled Boeing customer rep who got in touch - 'As far as we are concerned, the plane is not as much flying as not having crashed yet.' Aircraft in exile indeed.
- Gibbon1 10y ago
  > the plane is not as much flying as not having crashed yet.' > Aircraft in exile indeed. That made me think of this; vintage Douglas DC-3 plane in Columbia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-F-cBF5ZbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-F-cBF5ZbQ
  - lb1lf 10y ago
    Note that ancient and operated in a remote part of the world (well, remote to me, anyway!) does not necessarily mean poorly maintained. One (dubious) perk of my job is that I get to fly on all sorts of dilapidated airlines all over the world. I have never flown on a DC-3, but have tried its DC-4 and DC-6 siblings on a couple of occasions. They do have a couple of things going for them: a) Over-engineered to extremes; rather than calculating how much weight could be shed without making a part too fragile, it seems they did the opposite - just how sturdy can we make this and still be able to take off? This approach doesn't get them any fuel economy medals, but as for longevity? Oh-la-la. b) Very (VERY) simple to work on; simple access to just about anything that matters, very little by way of fancy solutions requiring deep specialist knowledge. As long as you maintain oil pressure, the engines will run. Also, the economics kicks in here, too - maintaining an airframe properly is cheaper in the long run than having to replace them occasionally after a total loss. Presumably also better for your reputation and recruiting capability. While chatting with the aircrew of a positively ancient Antonov in the Congo once, I found that a mechanic would come along for the flight. In my naïvety, I asked what he could do in the event of an issue while en route. The first officer shrugged and said 'Not much - but it sure keeps them focussed while working on the plane!' Crude, but effective.
mcbridematt 10y ago
Melbourne leased, and later bought a couple of trams from Mulhouse, France 8 years ago to fill a rollingstock shortage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C2-class_Melbourne_tram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C2-class_Melbourne_tram Various tram types were demoed on the Melbourne network in the 2000's - Bombardier Eurotram, Bombardier Flexity Classic (from Adelaide), Siemens CombinoPlus. Ultimately Bombardier got a contract for Flexity Swift/2 derived trams (the E class). Adelaide also bought six trams from Madrid in similar circumstances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Adelaide#Citadis_302_.2F_Type_200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Adelaide#Citadis_302_...
asjo 10y ago
During the 2000's the Danish rail ordered trains from Italy - it was a long and problemridden process, and the trains are scheduled to be scrapped as soon as possible. The factory making the trains sent one of them to Libya, as a gift for Gaddafi's 40th anniversary! At one point you could see the track laid out, and the train standing there, on Google Maps' satelite view. This article (in Danish) has a picture of the train: https://ing.dk/artikel/ic4-tog-i-libyen-var-en-gave-til-gaddafi-116631 https://ing.dk/artikel/ic4-tog-i-libyen-var-en-gave-til-gadd... Wikipedia has more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4#Other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4#Other
- xenadu02 10y ago
  Funny enough, SF Muni's trains were built by AnsaldoBreda and they're huge piles of shit too. They are over the design weight and have shoddy brakes so they're downrated from their specified top speed. The increased weight makes them much harsher on the tracks and transmits way more vibration to neighboring houses. The doors have overly complex mechanisms prone to jamming. So do the rising stairs. The air conditioners leak condensation. Overall they get far fewer miles between maintenance windows than they should - by less than half - resulting in a lot more cars stuck in the maintenance yard reducing an already over-stretched capacity. They also can't be coupled more than two cars at a time (where I'm calling a car the joined halves with the flexible part in the middle). Even if Muni had enough cars they couldn't run three-car trains with the Breda units. SF finally learned its lesson; Siemens is making the new cars. The first ones should start running end of this year. They can be coupled into 3-4 car trains, have good German engineering, working brakes, etc. Muni will also end up with more of them (~120 in the current fleet, vs 240 in the new one) so there will be a lot more capacity.
  - technofiend 10y ago
    For whatever reason Siemens was unable to fix the axle counters they put in Houston's light rail system. They're being replaced with Frauscher. http://www.rtands.com/index.php/passenger/rapid-transit-light-rail/houston-metro-contractor-to-replace-axle-counters.html http://www.rtands.com/index.php/passenger/rapid-transit-ligh...
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zerowellies 10y ago
I've seen Düsseldorf trams in Gdansk
tomjen3 10y ago
When Gaddaffi was austed from power two of the trains that should have been delivered to the Danish Railways were found in Tripoli. These weren't used trains either, these were brand new trains that had been custom ordered. How they ended up there I don't know.
Keyframe 10y ago
Czech and Austrian used to circle Zagreb, Croatia. You can see czech one here http://www.infozagreb.hr/media/places/large_tramvaj-54b633fa2a741.jpg http://www.infozagreb.hr/media/places/large_tramvaj-54b633fa... in the background, behind newly produced croatian ones.
poloniculmov 10y ago
There are some commuter trains from France used in Romania. They still have some posters about the old line and a couple of ads.

Berlin's trains in North Korea.. On a side Note: The Stuttgart S-Bahn's can be found it Tunis. Has anyone encountered other trains in exile?

by wuschel 10y ago

Berlin's trains in North Korea.. On a side Note: The Stuttgart S-Bahn's can be found it Tunis. Has anyone encountered other trains in exile?

Raed667 10y ago

Really? Where in Tunis? I'd love to try it

wuschel 10y ago
I drove them in 2002 Tunis to Sidi Bou Said. This link [1] has a picture of them, although I remember them being red. But human memory is flawed, for the bulky shape looks right ;) I witnessed a mass burglary/theft in the train, my friend to barely hold on to his rucksack. [1] https://www.visiting-africa.com/africa/tunisia/2010/03/trains-from-tunis-to-sidi-bou-said.html https://www.visiting-africa.com/africa/tunisia/2010/03/train...
- Raed667 10y ago
  The "TGM" (Tunis, Goulette, Marsa) line. I think they're still using the same trains and colors (blue/white) until now. I've never been on it, but I've heard that incidents like that may happen once a year on those lines. PS: I think it's one of the only trains I saw that doesn't have the "closed-door" safety enabled. You can open the doors while it is on full speed and it doesn't matter.

riffraff 10y ago

There are trams from Milan in San Francisco, I think from other "friend cities" too.

tomhoward 10y ago
Yep, San Francisco also has two trams from Melbourne, Australia: http://www.streetcar.org/second_melbourne_tram_joins_f-line-fleet/ http://www.streetcar.org/second_melbourne_tram_joins_f-line-...
robotmlg 10y ago
SF Muni has streetcars from all over the world running on the F line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Municipal_Railway_fleet#Historic_streetcars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Municipal_Railwa...
- fragmede 10y ago
  It's a lovey, romantic notion, but I want to note that SF Muni has put buses into service running the F line due to difficulty with keeping running stock, erm, running.

grundleborg 10y ago

The Isle of Wight uses retired former London Underground trains, which has given rise to rather wonderful instances like this: http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/steam-rescue-stranded-island-line-passengers http://www.islandecho.co.uk/news/steam-rescue-stranded-islan...

anotherboffin 10y ago

> Has anyone encountered other trains in exile? IIRC old narrow-gauge Spanish trains are being used in San José, Costa Rica as they have opened a small number of train lines in these last 8-10 years.

Symbiote 10y ago

The original trains from the Docklands Light Railway in London are now in Essen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway_rolling_stock#P86_and_P89_rolling_stock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway_rollin... Canada has carriages originally intended to run overnight services through the Channel Tunnel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)#Via_Rail_Canada https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightstar_(train)#Via_Rail_Can...

jpatokal 10y ago

Sydney has trams snapped up from Malaga, Spain after they could no longer afford to run their system: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pain-in-spain-as-trams-head-to-sydney-20130710-2pr6f.html http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/pain-in-spain-as-trams-head-to-syd...

mcbridematt 10y ago
They went back to Valez-Malaga rather quickly, the plastic seats were unpopular and the manufacturer facilitating the deal (CAF) offered a killer deal to replace all the older trams in the fleet with new ones.

cygned 10y ago

The TW 601, a prototype from 1970, has been in Canada (Vancouver and Edmonton) since 1975. It has been moved back to Hanover (Germany) this year. Some infos: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TW_601 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/TW_601 (German article w/ picture) http://fahrtenbuch.uestra.de/601-die-rueckkehr/ http://fahrtenbuch.uestra.de/601-die-rueckkehr/ (Blog posts with pictures, just throw it in Google Translate)

Freak_NL 10y ago

I haven't encountered any, but I know that the homely one and two carriage diesel multiple unit trains (Wadlopers) that ran on the Northern lines in The Netherlands were shipped to Poland and even South America. Old diesel engine stock is popular in poorer countries that have a lot of unelectrified rural railway lines.

lb1lf 10y ago

Not a train, but years ago I found myself on a flight in the Republic of Congo - only to have this strange feeling that something was a bit odd. After a few minutes, I realized it was the faded sticker on the seatback in front of me - it said 'Livvest under setet dykkar' ('Life vest under your seat') in Norwegian - definitely not something you'd expect to see on a flight en route to Pointe-Noire! I checked the MFG # sign as I left the aircraft, and a few E-mails later I found the plane (A 737-200) had been sold for scrap in 1993 as it no longer complied with relevant noise regulations; it then made its way to the Congo by some dubious route and, to paraphrase the puzzled Boeing customer rep who got in touch - 'As far as we are concerned, the plane is not as much flying as not having crashed yet.' Aircraft in exile indeed.

Gibbon1 10y ago
> the plane is not as much flying as not having crashed yet.' > Aircraft in exile indeed. That made me think of this; vintage Douglas DC-3 plane in Columbia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-F-cBF5ZbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-F-cBF5ZbQ
- lb1lf 10y ago
  Note that ancient and operated in a remote part of the world (well, remote to me, anyway!) does not necessarily mean poorly maintained. One (dubious) perk of my job is that I get to fly on all sorts of dilapidated airlines all over the world. I have never flown on a DC-3, but have tried its DC-4 and DC-6 siblings on a couple of occasions. They do have a couple of things going for them: a) Over-engineered to extremes; rather than calculating how much weight could be shed without making a part too fragile, it seems they did the opposite - just how sturdy can we make this and still be able to take off? This approach doesn't get them any fuel economy medals, but as for longevity? Oh-la-la. b) Very (VERY) simple to work on; simple access to just about anything that matters, very little by way of fancy solutions requiring deep specialist knowledge. As long as you maintain oil pressure, the engines will run. Also, the economics kicks in here, too - maintaining an airframe properly is cheaper in the long run than having to replace them occasionally after a total loss. Presumably also better for your reputation and recruiting capability. While chatting with the aircrew of a positively ancient Antonov in the Congo once, I found that a mechanic would come along for the flight. In my naïvety, I asked what he could do in the event of an issue while en route. The first officer shrugged and said 'Not much - but it sure keeps them focussed while working on the plane!' Crude, but effective.

mcbridematt 10y ago

Melbourne leased, and later bought a couple of trams from Mulhouse, France 8 years ago to fill a rollingstock shortage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C2-class_Melbourne_tram https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C2-class_Melbourne_tram Various tram types were demoed on the Melbourne network in the 2000's - Bombardier Eurotram, Bombardier Flexity Classic (from Adelaide), Siemens CombinoPlus. Ultimately Bombardier got a contract for Flexity Swift/2 derived trams (the E class). Adelaide also bought six trams from Madrid in similar circumstances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Adelaide#Citadis_302_.2F_Type_200 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Adelaide#Citadis_302_...

asjo 10y ago

During the 2000's the Danish rail ordered trains from Italy - it was a long and problemridden process, and the trains are scheduled to be scrapped as soon as possible. The factory making the trains sent one of them to Libya, as a gift for Gaddafi's 40th anniversary! At one point you could see the track laid out, and the train standing there, on Google Maps' satelite view. This article (in Danish) has a picture of the train: https://ing.dk/artikel/ic4-tog-i-libyen-var-en-gave-til-gaddafi-116631 https://ing.dk/artikel/ic4-tog-i-libyen-var-en-gave-til-gadd... Wikipedia has more details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4#Other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IC4#Other

xenadu02 10y ago
Funny enough, SF Muni's trains were built by AnsaldoBreda and they're huge piles of shit too. They are over the design weight and have shoddy brakes so they're downrated from their specified top speed. The increased weight makes them much harsher on the tracks and transmits way more vibration to neighboring houses. The doors have overly complex mechanisms prone to jamming. So do the rising stairs. The air conditioners leak condensation. Overall they get far fewer miles between maintenance windows than they should - by less than half - resulting in a lot more cars stuck in the maintenance yard reducing an already over-stretched capacity. They also can't be coupled more than two cars at a time (where I'm calling a car the joined halves with the flexible part in the middle). Even if Muni had enough cars they couldn't run three-car trains with the Breda units. SF finally learned its lesson; Siemens is making the new cars. The first ones should start running end of this year. They can be coupled into 3-4 car trains, have good German engineering, working brakes, etc. Muni will also end up with more of them (~120 in the current fleet, vs 240 in the new one) so there will be a lot more capacity.
- technofiend 10y ago
  For whatever reason Siemens was unable to fix the axle counters they put in Houston's light rail system. They're being replaced with Frauscher. http://www.rtands.com/index.php/passenger/rapid-transit-light-rail/houston-metro-contractor-to-replace-axle-counters.html http://www.rtands.com/index.php/passenger/rapid-transit-ligh...
- 10y ago

zerowellies 10y ago

I've seen Düsseldorf trams in Gdansk

tomjen3 10y ago

When Gaddaffi was austed from power two of the trains that should have been delivered to the Danish Railways were found in Tripoli. These weren't used trains either, these were brand new trains that had been custom ordered. How they ended up there I don't know.

Keyframe 10y ago

Czech and Austrian used to circle Zagreb, Croatia. You can see czech one here http://www.infozagreb.hr/media/places/large_tramvaj-54b633fa2a741.jpg http://www.infozagreb.hr/media/places/large_tramvaj-54b633fa... in the background, behind newly produced croatian ones.

poloniculmov 10y ago

There are some commuter trains from France used in Romania. They still have some posters about the old line and a couple of ads.