>All that argument shows is that an embodied simulation of a human brain would feel pain (and BTW, I agree with you about that) sorry, that's what most of my c

>All that argument shows is that an embodied simulation of a human brain would feel pain (and BTW, I agree with you about that) sorry, that's what most of my comments were about. the shrimp thing is less interesting to me, because I have a subjective knowledge that humans perceive pain. for me, I will give shrimp the benefit of the doubt due to our shared evolutionary background and their behavior. I skimmed your link and found it murky - it didn't define "exist" to my satisfactin. with that said, I didn't define exist either and I don't now what I had in mind when I asked you if the nonillionth prime exists. I don't think I asked a well-defined quesiton, I'm withdrawing it.