> during the 90s the idea seemed to be that that the next step after the outsourcing was actually no programmers at all Lest someone think this is an exaggerat

> during the 90s the idea seemed to be that that the next step after the outsourcing was actually no programmers at all Lest someone think this is an exaggeration, no, this was literally the conversation at the highest levels of some companies. A relative told me to reconsider going after a comp sci degree in 1995 because within ten years the computers would be programming themselves. There were presentations at their workplace about it. My first "real" job was programming customizations hacked on top of a 4gl tool - injecting JavaScript into pages through an improperly sanitized <label> widget! After the whole application was rewritten in the 4gl tool, it never lived up to its promise.