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"Also, there’s the issue of integrity. Google is still cooperating with the NSA and other intelligence agencies. PRISM is also still a thing." What's this

by codewiz 10y ago

"Also, there’s the issue of integrity. Google is still cooperating with the NSA and other intelligence agencies. PRISM is also still a thing." What's this based on? Google immediately denied any association with the NSA and PRISM: https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/what.html https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/06/what.html Google’s chief legal officer claimed that collection was being done without Google's consent: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/technology/google-outraged-at-nsa-interception-claims-1.1579245 http://www.irishtimes.com/news/technology/google-outraged-at... Evidence leaked by Edward Snowden also points in the direction of illegal infiltration of Google's private network without Google's consent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-i...

sandervenema 10y ago
On this: https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html there are links on that page that point out multiple e-mails from the STRATFOR leaks and other files that point to Google being deeply embedded with the U.S. security apparatus. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-cost...
- sandervenema 10y ago
  And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009, as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove: https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/PRISMUS-984XNOverview2013-06-06nsadocs https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/PRISMUS-984XNOverview2...
  - codewiz 10y ago
    And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009, as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove Read those slides more carefully: they say that collection from Google began on 1/14/09, not that Google became a willful partner of the PRISM program.
    - sandervenema 10y ago
      As the previous links from STRATFOR etc. prove, Google is deeply embedded in the security/intelligence apparatus. That part is definitely willing and beneficial to both parties. Of course, they're going to make changes and issue statements to the contrary regarding PRISM, because that would lose them customers. This is also an interesting read, albeit a bit long: https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ Google continues to coast on the goodwill of its "don't be evil" doublespeak, as Mr. Assange puts it. There's no reason to trust them now.
      - bitmapbrother 10y ago
        You've presented no proof whatsoever. All you've done is make unsubstantiated allegations.
lawnchair_larry 10y ago
Slight correction. Google is a willing* PRISM partner, but they don't use the name PRISM, and PRISM isn't quite what was originally described. The leaks related to exploitation of Google traffic refer to programs unrelated to PRISM. *Willing in the sense that they have to respond to FISA orders and NSLs, and they have agreed to do it according to a certain protocol.

by codewiz 10y ago

sandervenema 10y ago

On this: https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html https://wikileaks.org/Op-ed-Google-and-the-NSA-Who-s.html there are links on that page that point out multiple e-mails from the STRATFOR leaks and other files that point to Google being deeply embedded with the U.S. security apparatus. Also: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-cost...

sandervenema 10y ago
And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009, as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove: https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/PRISMUS-984XNOverview2013-06-06nsadocs https://search.edwardsnowden.com/docs/PRISMUS-984XNOverview2...
- codewiz 10y ago
  And Google became a PRISM partner in 2009, as the slides here from the Snowden collection prove Read those slides more carefully: they say that collection from Google began on 1/14/09, not that Google became a willful partner of the PRISM program.
  - sandervenema 10y ago
    As the previous links from STRATFOR etc. prove, Google is deeply embedded in the security/intelligence apparatus. That part is definitely willing and beneficial to both parties. Of course, they're going to make changes and issue statements to the contrary regarding PRISM, because that would lose them customers. This is also an interesting read, albeit a bit long: https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/ Google continues to coast on the goodwill of its "don't be evil" doublespeak, as Mr. Assange puts it. There's no reason to trust them now.
    - bitmapbrother 10y ago
      You've presented no proof whatsoever. All you've done is make unsubstantiated allegations.

lawnchair_larry 10y ago

Slight correction. Google is a willing* PRISM partner, but they don't use the name PRISM, and PRISM isn't quite what was originally described. The leaks related to exploitation of Google traffic refer to programs unrelated to PRISM. *Willing in the sense that they have to respond to FISA orders and NSLs, and they have agreed to do it according to a certain protocol.