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My fiancee is currently going through the same process. She's going to, but not taking seriously, the interviews she has in Manhattan. OTOH, Pittsburgh, Atlant
by sndean 10y ago
My fiancee is currently going through the same process. She's going to, but not taking seriously, the interviews she has in Manhattan.
OTOH, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and a few other cities look promising.
Some of the programs in Manhattan and Brooklyn are paying ~55000. She's in (we're in) >400000 in debt from the med school loans. There's no chance we can go there. (Maybe if they paid ~100000.)
- muninn_ 10y agoStay away from Atlanta if you value quality of living. Look to places like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Minneapolis, Columbus, etc.... big healthcare areas without being the biggest sprawl on the planet or having insane cost of living.
- libria 10y ago> Stay away from Atlanta if you value quality of living Can you elaborate on Atlanta's poor QoL?
- muninn_ 10y agoSure do you have something specific you'd like me to touch on or just in general?
- libria 10y agoI've lived in Atlanta and don't much care for it, but I'd think the other cities you mentioned would have similar drawbacks. What makes Pittsburgh/Columbus much better? edit: pros-> good Cost of Living to salary ratio, 4 seasons. cons-> humidity, traffic, public education system, lack of attractions (you can only go to the aquarium so many times).
- gtaylor 10y agoDirty, terrible traffic, was decimated by the recession and not quite back. There are very nice areas like Buckhead, and really rough areas like Lithia Springs. You'll need a car to get anywhere and you're going to spend a lot of time in it. Especially if you live in one of the popular suburbs like Marietta or even Douglasville. Source: lived in the area a few times.
- deskamess 10y agoBut surely places like Alpharetta, Roswell, and Cumming are not decimated. I found them nice places to live although housing was getting into the mid 300K for a 4br/2ba. I found access to downtown easy and the airport was one of the best (in terms of global connectivity).
- smileysteve 10y ago> rough areas like Lithia Springs. To be clear, Lithia Springs is as part of Atlanta as Vallejo is part of San Francisco - as Edison is to Manhatten. You'd need a car to get anywhere if you lived in Vallejo too... And you'd spend a ton of time in it (and about $10 in tolls) to get to Downtown San Francisco.
- chaostheory 10y agoCrime has gone up ever since I left. Before 2010, it seemed to be on a long term decline. That's no longer the case.
- samsolomon 10y agoIt probably depends where you live. The key is to be either walking distance from work or a train station. I only drive about 2-3 times a month. Prices have risen in the last few years, but anywhere from Midtown to Buckhead to the East Atlanta neighborhoods are great.
- gyc 10y agoI moved from SF to Minneapolis ~5 years ago. If you can survive the cold winters here, the area truly offers a great quality of life and way more amenities than you might expect for a very reasonable cost of living.
- deskamess 10y agoHow cold and long are your winters? Some of the Canadian winters go on for what seems like 5 months. I can handle 3 months...
- holierthenthou 10y agoHello former Minnesotan here. I miss the true four seasons there: June, July, August and Winter.
- johns 10y agoIt will start dipping below freezing sometime this month and start warming up enough for outdoor activities again late March/early April.
- godzillabrennus 10y agoCleveland has incredibly low cost of living. It's also got Case Western which is a good engineering school. I've heard that the area around the school is going through some big changes with young tech folks moving into the college areas for school and staying afterward to start companies. Good to see!
- muninn_ 10y ago+ Cleveland Clinic
- nugget 10y agoOut of curiosity how do you run up >400k from med school? That number seems higher than what I usually read about.
- fnbr 10y agoNYU estimates med school costs at $80k per year [1], for four years. Toss in $80k for undergrad and bam, you're at $400k. [1] http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/admissions/fees-and-financial-aid http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/admissions/fees-and-financial-...
- sndean 10y ago>> Out of curiosity how do you run up >400k from med school? That number seems higher than what I usually read about. > NYU estimates med school costs at $80k per year [1], for four years. Pretty much this. Private med schools are more expensive than public. Plus little things like buying cars, paying rent, etc. add up.
- CN7R 10y agoI wouldn't use NYU as the best example, as its tuition is ridiculously high compared to other medical schools / universities. Look at its access index: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/17/upshot/top-colleges-doing-the-most-for-low-income-students.html http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/09/17/upshot/top-col...
- quantumhobbit 10y agoMedicine/Tech relationships seems to be super common. I am one half of one and know of several others. I wonder if it is some sort of nerds attracting nerds phenomenon, or just overachievers meeting in college. Either way I feel your pain with residency and debt.
- sjg007 10y agoI thought loans are deferred in residency and fellowships?
- cfallin 10y ago+1 to Pittsburgh! My girlfriend is a resident at UPMC and from everything I hear/see, they're treated well. The cost of living here is cheap enough that if you're making 50-60k you can afford one of the nicest 1-bedrooms in the East End (area around the universities); I'm very comfortable on half that as a PhD student. The town is filled with nerds of both the tech and medicine variety (we have Google, Uber, etc offices too). Anyway, best of luck!