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Similarly to the author I don't use any frameworks, well except JQuery for front end and XTemplate for templates. Main reason being when I'm a lone developer I

by robryan 17y ago

Similarly to the author I don't use any frameworks, well except JQuery for front end and XTemplate for templates. Main reason being when I'm a lone developer I prefer having stuff I'm comfortable with and understand back to front. I'm sure I could get this from a good framework that doesn't have a lot of linking between parts but I'll admit I haven't put a lot of time in to try and find this. The more I learn about PHP internals the less confidence I have in the language. The main things holding me to the language is comfortableness with the syntax- been using it for years can code very quickly in it, understand a lot of the functions and extensions I would want to use normally and a good feel for what will run fast and what won't. The being said I would like to learn a ruby/python like language when I get the chance, I have previously done web stuff in .NET and Java but much prefer PHP over those for my uses.

steveklabnik 17y ago
If you do get the chance, check out Ruby and Sinatra. The whole source is only roughly 2000 lines of code, but it gives you just a very minimal level of abstraction over HTTP. Here's "hello world" in Sinatra: require ‘rubygems’ require ’sinatra’ get ‘/hi’ do “Hello World!” end ... That's it. It's cool stuff.
- mixmax 17y ago
  And here it is in PHP: echo "Hello world"; One line. Just saying....
  - cmelbye 17y ago
    Except not at all. Your example doesn't handle a clean URL like "/hi" (it would be something like "/hi.php" at best in PHP). Furthermore, it doesn't force the GET http request type, which is a major part of the Sinatra microframework. I can setup a Ruby script that outputs "Hello World", but that would miss the point entirely. EDIT: Also, the original ruby example could be condensed to one line as well: get "/hi" { "Hello world" } Run with ruby -rsinatra script.rb
- armandososa 17y ago
  Or try Microbus if(get("hi")){ echo "Hello World"; } http://github.com/soska/microbus http://github.com/soska/microbus (I know… I always feel bad with self promotion)
rikthevik 17y ago
CherryPy is a good place to start as well.

by robryan 17y ago

steveklabnik 17y ago

If you do get the chance, check out Ruby and Sinatra. The whole source is only roughly 2000 lines of code, but it gives you just a very minimal level of abstraction over HTTP. Here's "hello world" in Sinatra: require ‘rubygems’ require ’sinatra’ get ‘/hi’ do “Hello World!” end ... That's it. It's cool stuff.

mixmax 17y ago
And here it is in PHP: echo "Hello world"; One line. Just saying....
- cmelbye 17y ago
  Except not at all. Your example doesn't handle a clean URL like "/hi" (it would be something like "/hi.php" at best in PHP). Furthermore, it doesn't force the GET http request type, which is a major part of the Sinatra microframework. I can setup a Ruby script that outputs "Hello World", but that would miss the point entirely. EDIT: Also, the original ruby example could be condensed to one line as well: get "/hi" { "Hello world" } Run with ruby -rsinatra script.rb
armandososa 17y ago
Or try Microbus if(get("hi")){ echo "Hello World"; } http://github.com/soska/microbus http://github.com/soska/microbus (I know… I always feel bad with self promotion)

rikthevik 17y ago

CherryPy is a good place to start as well.