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I wouldn't be surprised if the same group of kids in the study end up being the trouble makers or socially awkward ones with the beginning of primary school. Le

by gokhan 10y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the same group of kids in the study end up being the trouble makers or socially awkward ones with the beginning of primary school. Learning as a whole, waiting others to catch up and other methods of "modern" education does negative wonders on gifted children. I have a profoundly gifted child, and witnessed this cycle (normal in preschool, problem child in primary) not only on my child but on many other gifted children. And almost all the parents of gifted children around me tries to find a remedy to boredom in school. School system actually leaves gifted ones behind by forcing them to slow down. The teacher makes a lot of difference but it's not enough if the child is still in the same curriculum. Families of normal children don't help either. They totally reject the idea that gifted children needs some special attention, thinking that these kids can do well on their own because of stereotypical image of giftedness in society. Edit: Some terms.

monkmartinez 10y ago
Why not move the child up to the grade level to which he/she performs? They do this at my children's charter school. My son is in 3rd grade doing 4/5th grade math (accelerated charter school) and he has a 7 year old in his class. My son reports that its all good. I firmly reject forcing a teacher to cater to all the "special flowers" in his/her classroom. Here is the standard for the grade level. If child are above standard, move up... if child are below... move down. If child has a learning disability, here is a specialist or a class with similar children and more teacher aids. Edit to add: My daughter has several special needs children in her class (1st grade) and all she talks about is how disruptive they are. The teacher places some of them near her because she is well behaved and will help the teacher "police" the disruptive children. She hates it and we have a meeting with Principal about it next week. I don't care that these children may be the next Einstein's and are disruptive because they may be bored and smart. The fact is they are disrupting EVERYONE in the class. Who should take responsibility for that? I think it is the PARENT.
- brianwawok 10y ago
  Parents can only do so much. Legit special needs is special needs. From what I have read blended classes with special needs helps those with special needs, at the expense of the gifted or well behaved. Is the trade worth it? To you likely not. To the special needs families? I think so.
  - monkmartinez 10y ago
    > Parents can only do so much. Legit special needs is special needs. Agreed, to some extent. How far does society have to go in order to support children with <XYZ>? Is that "burden", for lack of a better word, society's problem? I don't think there is an easy answer. > Is the trade worth it? To you likely not. To the special needs families? I think so. Maybe, maybe not... I wish there were an easy answer. The fact is, I have a choice! If the situation doesn't suit my child, I will take action. My children are my responsibility. It is my duty to do the best I can for them. There seems to be an attitude that people are "owed" the best of the best and special treatment at all levels. That doesn't square with me. So long as I have a choice, I will control what I can control (which isn't much, honestly)...
  - throwawaycanada 10y ago
    What is better for society? Why should well behaved and gifted children be forced to sacrifice their education and well being?
    - brianwawok 10y ago
      Why should special needs children be forced to sacrifice their growth? What would feel if your kid was special needs?
- cperciva 10y ago
  Why not move the child up to the grade level to which he/she performs? Because we need to be socialized by spending time surrounded by kids our own age. Seriously, that's what they said when I was in elementary school. Eventually the administration allowed me to skip one grade -- but only because I was born in February, and thus only barely younger than the youngest kids in my new cohort. I'm not a pedagogist so I can't comment on the accuracy of the theory in general, but in my case it was absolutely counterproductive; I was socially closer to my intellectual peers than I ever was to my chronological peers, and rather than "socializing" me, keeping me with kids close to my age merely taught me to treat them with contempt.
  - abecedarius 10y ago
    Further, it's single-year cohorts that's the big break from almost all of human history. I'd expect associating with a range of ages to be the right thing for socialization.
  - qb45 10y ago
    > I was socially closer to my intellectual peers than I ever was to my chronological peers, and rather than "socializing" me, keeping me with kids close to my age merely taught me to treat them with contempt. I spent my childhood around adults and when I went to school I considered all those age-sorted preschool-processed kids retarded. Childish, status-conscious to the point of absurdity, uninterested in the wider world, so predictable, boring. I sometimes wonder, what choice did they have being locked up with others like them?

by gokhan 10y ago

monkmartinez 10y ago

Why not move the child up to the grade level to which he/she performs? They do this at my children's charter school. My son is in 3rd grade doing 4/5th grade math (accelerated charter school) and he has a 7 year old in his class. My son reports that its all good. I firmly reject forcing a teacher to cater to all the "special flowers" in his/her classroom. Here is the standard for the grade level. If child are above standard, move up... if child are below... move down. If child has a learning disability, here is a specialist or a class with similar children and more teacher aids. Edit to add: My daughter has several special needs children in her class (1st grade) and all she talks about is how disruptive they are. The teacher places some of them near her because she is well behaved and will help the teacher "police" the disruptive children. She hates it and we have a meeting with Principal about it next week. I don't care that these children may be the next Einstein's and are disruptive because they may be bored and smart. The fact is they are disrupting EVERYONE in the class. Who should take responsibility for that? I think it is the PARENT.

brianwawok 10y ago
Parents can only do so much. Legit special needs is special needs. From what I have read blended classes with special needs helps those with special needs, at the expense of the gifted or well behaved. Is the trade worth it? To you likely not. To the special needs families? I think so.
- monkmartinez 10y ago
  > Parents can only do so much. Legit special needs is special needs. Agreed, to some extent. How far does society have to go in order to support children with <XYZ>? Is that "burden", for lack of a better word, society's problem? I don't think there is an easy answer. > Is the trade worth it? To you likely not. To the special needs families? I think so. Maybe, maybe not... I wish there were an easy answer. The fact is, I have a choice! If the situation doesn't suit my child, I will take action. My children are my responsibility. It is my duty to do the best I can for them. There seems to be an attitude that people are "owed" the best of the best and special treatment at all levels. That doesn't square with me. So long as I have a choice, I will control what I can control (which isn't much, honestly)...
- throwawaycanada 10y ago
  What is better for society? Why should well behaved and gifted children be forced to sacrifice their education and well being?
  - brianwawok 10y ago
    Why should special needs children be forced to sacrifice their growth? What would feel if your kid was special needs?
cperciva 10y ago
Why not move the child up to the grade level to which he/she performs? Because we need to be socialized by spending time surrounded by kids our own age. Seriously, that's what they said when I was in elementary school. Eventually the administration allowed me to skip one grade -- but only because I was born in February, and thus only barely younger than the youngest kids in my new cohort. I'm not a pedagogist so I can't comment on the accuracy of the theory in general, but in my case it was absolutely counterproductive; I was socially closer to my intellectual peers than I ever was to my chronological peers, and rather than "socializing" me, keeping me with kids close to my age merely taught me to treat them with contempt.
- abecedarius 10y ago
  Further, it's single-year cohorts that's the big break from almost all of human history. I'd expect associating with a range of ages to be the right thing for socialization.
- qb45 10y ago
  > I was socially closer to my intellectual peers than I ever was to my chronological peers, and rather than "socializing" me, keeping me with kids close to my age merely taught me to treat them with contempt. I spent my childhood around adults and when I went to school I considered all those age-sorted preschool-processed kids retarded. Childish, status-conscious to the point of absurdity, uninterested in the wider world, so predictable, boring. I sometimes wonder, what choice did they have being locked up with others like them?