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> The series is worthy of being on the BBC I think much youtube content is better than the output of the BBC, which shows an unfortunate tendency to "jazz up"

by m0nty 10y ago

> The series is worthy of being on the BBC I think much youtube content is better than the output of the BBC, which shows an unfortunate tendency to "jazz up" its shows to make them more "accessible" and "fun". If Primitive Technology were on the BBC, he wouldn't be allowed to do everything without talking (he rarely makes eye-contact with the camera, even). There would probably be a "panel of experts" to discuss or direct the course of events, and they would introduce some competitive element, so several people would be working against each other to produce the best shrimp trap. The same thing goes for other channels like Matthias Wandel, Paul Sellers, Alain Vaillancourt, Marius Hornberger, Louis Sauzedde and Chris on Clickspring. These are excellent channels, I would recommend all of them if you are into making things with your hands. But they could never exist on mainstream TV, and if they did, they would be stripped of their charm and value to make them more commercial. So youtube > regular TV, imo.

dogma1138 10y ago
If some light Christian libertarianism doesn't bother you also check wranglerstar. And AvE needs to be on this list of nothing than for the comic relief FYF!!!
rawnlq 10y ago
I am pretty sure if you like primitive tech you would love the historical documentaries BBC did on this subject. Primitive tech's presentation and focus on one technique per video is nice. But for comprehensiveness, you can't beat reenacting the 15th-16th century by living on a farm for a year like what BBC did in "Tales from the Green Valley", "Tudor Monastery Farms", and related series. A lot of the exact techniques primitive tech covered is also covered by those series: Fish traps: https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=302 https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=302 Wattle and daub wall: https://youtu.be/Qn1h8DOQGEQ?t=589 https://youtu.be/Qn1h8DOQGEQ?t=589 Building roofs: https://youtu.be/jgjFsR-c0-Q?t=558 https://youtu.be/jgjFsR-c0-Q?t=558 Smelting lead ores: https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=837 https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=837 etc etc
- throwaway76543 10y ago
  It's a neat subject, but I think you may have missed m0nty's point, a perspective which I share, about "jazzing up" with unnecessary dialog. I just clicked on "Fish traps" and my ears are full of idle banter between the two people making traps and whenever they're quiet for more than a moment the narrator breaks in. Someone is speaking at all time and it's obnoxious. This complaint is entirely distinct from how comprehensively they cover subject matter. BBC historical documentaries are far from the worst offender in this area (American TV is far, far worse), but primitive tech does a much better job than the BBC of permitting the audience to simply observe and absorb.
akhatri_aus 10y ago
Are you serious? The BBC is full of exceptional quality content. Planet Earth II is out sometime now just as an example of what is on there.
- m0nty 10y ago
  You need to read more closely. At no point did I say the BBC is devoid of high-quality content.
logingone 10y ago
This makes me think of the Brian Cox wonder-tone. Everything he says has a tone of wonder so thick that I can't watch his documentaries. Presumably it works for another audience.
- internaut 10y ago
  I feel mildly revolted when I see him. I don't feel like I've much control over the reaction either, it's automatic. I feel a bit bad about that because I'm certain he's a reasonable human being albeit a waxy doll-human. This video gives me the same impression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mYK2Ht-b0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mYK2Ht-b0 There's also something about his presentation that is like some version of the uncanny valley with intellectual ideas. TED talks have this quality sometimes. I don't have this with Sagan or Dawkins even though they will often use poetic turns of phrase. I tried explaining this to my cousin who is infatuated with Cox, but I came across as somebody with highly specific form of racism directed at just Brian Cox.
ben_utzer 10y ago
For the lazy https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulSellersWoodwork https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulSellersWoodwork https://www.youtube.com/user/lgosseuxdbois https://www.youtube.com/user/lgosseuxdbois https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn7lavsPdVGV0qmEEBT6NyA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn7lavsPdVGV0qmEEBT6NyA https://www.youtube.com/user/TipsfromaShipWright https://www.youtube.com/user/TipsfromaShipWright https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA All woodworkers apart for the last one.

by m0nty 10y ago

dogma1138 10y ago

If some light Christian libertarianism doesn't bother you also check wranglerstar. And AvE needs to be on this list of nothing than for the comic relief FYF!!!

rawnlq 10y ago

I am pretty sure if you like primitive tech you would love the historical documentaries BBC did on this subject. Primitive tech's presentation and focus on one technique per video is nice. But for comprehensiveness, you can't beat reenacting the 15th-16th century by living on a farm for a year like what BBC did in "Tales from the Green Valley", "Tudor Monastery Farms", and related series. A lot of the exact techniques primitive tech covered is also covered by those series: Fish traps: https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=302 https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=302 Wattle and daub wall: https://youtu.be/Qn1h8DOQGEQ?t=589 https://youtu.be/Qn1h8DOQGEQ?t=589 Building roofs: https://youtu.be/jgjFsR-c0-Q?t=558 https://youtu.be/jgjFsR-c0-Q?t=558 Smelting lead ores: https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=837 https://youtu.be/ZIbhoR1GBuI?t=837 etc etc

throwaway76543 10y ago
It's a neat subject, but I think you may have missed m0nty's point, a perspective which I share, about "jazzing up" with unnecessary dialog. I just clicked on "Fish traps" and my ears are full of idle banter between the two people making traps and whenever they're quiet for more than a moment the narrator breaks in. Someone is speaking at all time and it's obnoxious. This complaint is entirely distinct from how comprehensively they cover subject matter. BBC historical documentaries are far from the worst offender in this area (American TV is far, far worse), but primitive tech does a much better job than the BBC of permitting the audience to simply observe and absorb.

akhatri_aus 10y ago

Are you serious? The BBC is full of exceptional quality content. Planet Earth II is out sometime now just as an example of what is on there.

m0nty 10y ago
You need to read more closely. At no point did I say the BBC is devoid of high-quality content.

logingone 10y ago

This makes me think of the Brian Cox wonder-tone. Everything he says has a tone of wonder so thick that I can't watch his documentaries. Presumably it works for another audience.

internaut 10y ago
I feel mildly revolted when I see him. I don't feel like I've much control over the reaction either, it's automatic. I feel a bit bad about that because I'm certain he's a reasonable human being albeit a waxy doll-human. This video gives me the same impression. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mYK2Ht-b0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mYK2Ht-b0 There's also something about his presentation that is like some version of the uncanny valley with intellectual ideas. TED talks have this quality sometimes. I don't have this with Sagan or Dawkins even though they will often use poetic turns of phrase. I tried explaining this to my cousin who is infatuated with Cox, but I came across as somebody with highly specific form of racism directed at just Brian Cox.

ben_utzer 10y ago

For the lazy https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel https://www.youtube.com/user/Matthiaswandel https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulSellersWoodwork https://www.youtube.com/user/PaulSellersWoodwork https://www.youtube.com/user/lgosseuxdbois https://www.youtube.com/user/lgosseuxdbois https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn7lavsPdVGV0qmEEBT6NyA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCn7lavsPdVGV0qmEEBT6NyA https://www.youtube.com/user/TipsfromaShipWright https://www.youtube.com/user/TipsfromaShipWright https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCworsKCR-Sx6R6-BnIjS2MA All woodworkers apart for the last one.