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A different angle, but I don't like computers that are in your face, costing time, rather than giving me time. I don't like games. I don't like VR. I don't lik

A different angle, but I don't like computers that are in your face, costing time, rather than giving me time. I don't like games. I don't like VR. I don't like AR. I don't like television. Also reading HN too much makes me feel empty. However, I do like smart things that do stuff for me and get out of my way. I really like waking up in a warm bedroom while the rest of the house is allowed be cold. I like the convenience of telling Alexa, "play something relaxing" when I come home from work. I like having to clean a little less thanks to a Roomba. I like not having to switch off stuff because it's done automatically. I like an AI to schedule my appointments. Every computer that minimizes my interactions with computers or gives me time, the most precious resource, I like!

humanrebar 10y ago
Hey, your taste is your taste, but I don't see why you'd come down on screen-based entertainment but appreciate the other things that 'cost' time: books, cooking for yourself, dishes you have to wash, shopping, theater, hiking, etc.
- pjc50 10y ago
  All of those apart from dishwashing and some of the shopping are benefits/entertainment, surely? I think it's useful for people to make a distinction between "I'm doing this by choice as entertainment" vs "I'm doing this as a default activity that's sort of addictive, and not really enjoying it". TV, social media, and, er, Hackernews can fall into the latter category if you're not mindful.
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Totally this. For me, it's about whether the cost is imposed on me, or chosen voluntarily. So I love videogames, but I hate those designed to suck you in on purpose via cheap psychology tricks. I love books. But I hate ads, infomercials and content with very low quality/size ratio. And I absolutely hate maintenance tasks (dusting, washing dishes, exercise) and wish they could all be automated away.
    - jeff_petersen 10y ago
      > I absolutely hate maintenance tasks (dusting, washing dishes, exercise) and wish they could all be automated away I sort of share this opinion, and when it comes to dusting and washing dishes I still agree. But recently I started weightlifting and its come to be much more fun than just straight cardio ever was, now I look forward to going to the gym. Worth a try if you haven't already. Also polishing my shoes is a maintenance task, but I find it very relaxing and gratifying when I'm done. But yeah, as soon as I can get a robot butler to handle the other stuff I'll be happy as a clam.
      - ahussain 10y ago
        I agree, but also feel that sometimes 'maintenance tasks' can be incredibly humanizing. Life can feel artificial when there are too few maintenance tasks.
        TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Feels to me like the Stockholm syndrome thing (for lack of a better term). You can't avoid the bug, so in order to keep your sanity, you start to treat it as a feature. Similar thing as with treating death as a "natural state of things", ergo good.
      - xherberta 10y ago
        A counter-intuitive finding: studies claim you'll feel happier while doing lame tasks if you concentrate entirely on the task at hand (i.e. being in the present.) I find this rather difficult to test, but momentary glimmers are promising.
        TeMPOraL 10y ago
        N=1 counterfinding, but I find myself incredibly frustrated if I "concentrate entirely on the task at hand" while doing household cleaning. Instead I try and think of anything else.
  - humanrebar 10y ago
    These sorts of discussions add more value to my thought life than 'healthy and normal' 'real life' conversations (sports, weather, ailments, traffic). I find that "real life" relationships involve a lot more wasted time. So I guess your mileage may vary.
    - ahussain 10y ago
      I think it's dangerous to place "add value to my thought life" too high on the spectrum of things that are valuable. Human connection, empathy, direct service to others are also tremendously important parts of life that are sometimes forgotten when "thought life" is put ahead of "real life" too often.
- MrQuincle 10y ago
  Yes, I think it's about taste indeed. + "Light pollution" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution) versus "City of Light" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Light https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Light) + In Holland "Horizon pollution" of windmills at our beaches versus nostalgia, Unesco world heritage and thousands of tourists at Kinderdijk. That what might feel like "Information pollution" to one will feel like a bath of excitement and enjoyment to the other.
nul_byte 10y ago
> I really like waking up in a warm bedroom while the rest of the house is allowed be cold. That sounds pretty cool, what is going on there?
- IanCal 10y ago
  Different person, but my radiators can be controlled remotely, so I have a timer to turn up the bedroom radiator and fire up the boiler 10 minutes before getting up. The other areas in my house don't need to be heated, so they aren't.
  - MrQuincle 10y ago
    The same for me. I've radiator valves that are scheduled (one time I'll add presence sensing to it as well). Moreover I've "district heating" from the industry region at the Rotterdam harbor. So, I don't need to fire up a boiler. I have heat per radiator as soon as the valve opens.
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humanrebar 10y ago

Hey, your taste is your taste, but I don't see why you'd come down on screen-based entertainment but appreciate the other things that 'cost' time: books, cooking for yourself, dishes you have to wash, shopping, theater, hiking, etc.

pjc50 10y ago
All of those apart from dishwashing and some of the shopping are benefits/entertainment, surely? I think it's useful for people to make a distinction between "I'm doing this by choice as entertainment" vs "I'm doing this as a default activity that's sort of addictive, and not really enjoying it". TV, social media, and, er, Hackernews can fall into the latter category if you're not mindful.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Totally this. For me, it's about whether the cost is imposed on me, or chosen voluntarily. So I love videogames, but I hate those designed to suck you in on purpose via cheap psychology tricks. I love books. But I hate ads, infomercials and content with very low quality/size ratio. And I absolutely hate maintenance tasks (dusting, washing dishes, exercise) and wish they could all be automated away.
  - jeff_petersen 10y ago
    > I absolutely hate maintenance tasks (dusting, washing dishes, exercise) and wish they could all be automated away I sort of share this opinion, and when it comes to dusting and washing dishes I still agree. But recently I started weightlifting and its come to be much more fun than just straight cardio ever was, now I look forward to going to the gym. Worth a try if you haven't already. Also polishing my shoes is a maintenance task, but I find it very relaxing and gratifying when I'm done. But yeah, as soon as I can get a robot butler to handle the other stuff I'll be happy as a clam.
    - ahussain 10y ago
      I agree, but also feel that sometimes 'maintenance tasks' can be incredibly humanizing. Life can feel artificial when there are too few maintenance tasks.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Feels to me like the Stockholm syndrome thing (for lack of a better term). You can't avoid the bug, so in order to keep your sanity, you start to treat it as a feature. Similar thing as with treating death as a "natural state of things", ergo good.
    - xherberta 10y ago
      A counter-intuitive finding: studies claim you'll feel happier while doing lame tasks if you concentrate entirely on the task at hand (i.e. being in the present.) I find this rather difficult to test, but momentary glimmers are promising.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        N=1 counterfinding, but I find myself incredibly frustrated if I "concentrate entirely on the task at hand" while doing household cleaning. Instead I try and think of anything else.
- humanrebar 10y ago
  These sorts of discussions add more value to my thought life than 'healthy and normal' 'real life' conversations (sports, weather, ailments, traffic). I find that "real life" relationships involve a lot more wasted time. So I guess your mileage may vary.
  - ahussain 10y ago
    I think it's dangerous to place "add value to my thought life" too high on the spectrum of things that are valuable. Human connection, empathy, direct service to others are also tremendously important parts of life that are sometimes forgotten when "thought life" is put ahead of "real life" too often.
MrQuincle 10y ago
Yes, I think it's about taste indeed. + "Light pollution" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_pollution) versus "City of Light" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Light https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Light) + In Holland "Horizon pollution" of windmills at our beaches versus nostalgia, Unesco world heritage and thousands of tourists at Kinderdijk. That what might feel like "Information pollution" to one will feel like a bath of excitement and enjoyment to the other.

nul_byte 10y ago

> I really like waking up in a warm bedroom while the rest of the house is allowed be cold. That sounds pretty cool, what is going on there?

IanCal 10y ago
Different person, but my radiators can be controlled remotely, so I have a timer to turn up the bedroom radiator and fire up the boiler 10 minutes before getting up. The other areas in my house don't need to be heated, so they aren't.
- MrQuincle 10y ago
  The same for me. I've radiator valves that are scheduled (one time I'll add presence sensing to it as well). Moreover I've "district heating" from the industry region at the Rotterdam harbor. So, I don't need to fire up a boiler. I have heat per radiator as soon as the valve opens.
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