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I've really become more and more for states' rights as time goes on. It's very clear that most states (especially rural states) fundamentally disagree with Cali

by gragas 10y ago

I've really become more and more for states' rights as time goes on. It's very clear that most states (especially rural states) fundamentally disagree with California, New York, and the other blue strongholds. I want to preserve the culture I grew up in. I want everyone to contribute to society. I want a culture where what you get is what you worked for. I don't want "diversity" or a bunch of people from other countries to move to the town I grew up in. Having moved to California from Iowa, I can totally understand how Californians value diversity and equality (not necessarily equal opportunity) above all else. But where I'm from, people value equal opportunity and hard work. It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other. In my mind, it would be an absolute travesty to allow the distant majority to vote for the destruction of the culture I grew up in.

sjclemmy 10y ago
>> I don't want "diversity" or a bunch of people from other countries to move to the town I grew up in. Yet you have moved to California? Can you hear the irony? >> It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other. You don't have. You just have to accept other people think differently and want different things to you.
- gragas 10y ago
  Yes, I accept that other people think differently than me. But that should not give the right for Californians to overthrow my community and my culture which exists thousands of miles away from California.
zigzigzag 10y ago
Significant relaxation of federal power is the only way USA and Europe can be politically stable over the long run, but good luck getting people to let go of the idea of federalism.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  How so? The general public in the USA and Europe seem fairly docile, we've had massive political scandals on both side of the Atlantic over the past couple of decades, and the general public barely reacts at all (in any meaningful way at least, in terms of organising resistance).
  - zigzigzag 10y ago
    You don't think the political events of 2016 count? Consider what might happen if Clinton win and more corruption scandals appear about her, or if Brexit is halted somehow. Things are getting less stable over time.
ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "Having moved to California from Iowa, I can totally understand how Californians value diversity and equality (not necessarily equal opportunity) above all else. But where I'm from, people value equal opportunity and hard work. It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other." How is diversity diametrically opposed to equal opportunity and hard work? From what I can see you can have all of the above without any issues.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>I want to preserve the culture I grew up in. I want everyone to contribute to society. I want a culture where what you get is what you worked for. I don't want "diversity" or a bunch of people from other countries to move to the town I grew up in. >Having moved to California from Iowa, I can totally understand how Californians value diversity and equality (not necessarily equal opportunity) above all else. But where I'm from, people value equal opportunity and hard work. It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other. Can you phrase your political philosophy in terms of real proposals rather than thought-terminating cliches? When I hear the term "value" or "values", I reach for my gun.

by gragas 10y ago

sjclemmy 10y ago

>> I don't want "diversity" or a bunch of people from other countries to move to the town I grew up in. Yet you have moved to California? Can you hear the irony? >> It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other. You don't have. You just have to accept other people think differently and want different things to you.

gragas 10y ago
Yes, I accept that other people think differently than me. But that should not give the right for Californians to overthrow my community and my culture which exists thousands of miles away from California.

zigzigzag 10y ago

Significant relaxation of federal power is the only way USA and Europe can be politically stable over the long run, but good luck getting people to let go of the idea of federalism.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
How so? The general public in the USA and Europe seem fairly docile, we've had massive political scandals on both side of the Atlantic over the past couple of decades, and the general public barely reacts at all (in any meaningful way at least, in terms of organising resistance).
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  You don't think the political events of 2016 count? Consider what might happen if Clinton win and more corruption scandals appear about her, or if Brexit is halted somehow. Things are getting less stable over time.

ZenoArrow 10y ago

> "Having moved to California from Iowa, I can totally understand how Californians value diversity and equality (not necessarily equal opportunity) above all else. But where I'm from, people value equal opportunity and hard work. It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other." How is diversity diametrically opposed to equal opportunity and hard work? From what I can see you can have all of the above without any issues.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

>I want to preserve the culture I grew up in. I want everyone to contribute to society. I want a culture where what you get is what you worked for. I don't want "diversity" or a bunch of people from other countries to move to the town I grew up in. >Having moved to California from Iowa, I can totally understand how Californians value diversity and equality (not necessarily equal opportunity) above all else. But where I'm from, people value equal opportunity and hard work. It's very hard to see the merit in one culture, being from the other. Can you phrase your political philosophy in terms of real proposals rather than thought-terminating cliches? When I hear the term "value" or "values", I reach for my gun.