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Thanks! I've thought quite a bit about it. I think the demand is there now for well-built machines as people are realizing now that their old machines were bui

Thanks! I've thought quite a bit about it. I think the demand is there now for well-built machines as people are realizing now that their old machines were built much, much better and lasted longer. Before now, people really didn't have a contrast for those machines, so they really didn't understand how good they had it. If someone was able to buy the patent for Whirlpool's direct drive machine, that would be ideal, then just start manufacturing those things again. People would weep tears of joy if they could buy those machines again, not exaggerating. As far as design, there are only two designs that have ever been used. The top loader with the tall agitator and newer top loaders have the low profile agitator. I'm still not quite sure why Whirlpool stopped making their direct drive top loaders. It was the biggest step down in quality I think I've ever seen. Machines went from lasting 8-12 years before needing some routine maintenance to mostly breaking within the first 3 years on the newly designed Vertical Modular Washers. With enough resources and determination, the appliance industry could be turned on it's head, at least starting with washers and dryers.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
Damn so there is a remaining patent. Buy it or not, there's at least a ticking clock toward a reliable machine. :) I reposted your article in Lobsters forum. Curious what you would reply to Ted's interesting points: https://lobste.rs/s/3rcyqa/they_used_last_50_years_appliance/comments/xm3enz#c_xm3enz https://lobste.rs/s/3rcyqa/they_used_last_50_years_appliance... He raises a few good points but one I don't have any detail on is the commercial washers and dryers. How much better or worse are they? What's the arrangement like in terms of is it the same crap with a profitable service contract or much better with maintenance provisions at reasonable points in time?
- roseburg 10y ago
  Speed Queen probably makes the highest quality machine right now. Then he's correct that it's then commercial machines. But those are very expensive and enormous in size making them impractical for consumer use. The business model right now is really built upon the fact that there are very few appliance manufacturers left. Consolidation has taken away the competition and it seems like those remaining have set the bar pretty low. I think they know if they make a cheap dishwasher that lasts 3 years, that person will have to buy another machine. Throw in new models each year and consumers have no hope of keeping track of what brand is good and who they should trust. Confusion reigns when it comes to buying appliances. So people don't hold the manufacturers accountable. I see a lot of similarities with the mattress industry.
  - teslabox 10y ago
    My father was tired of having to run the dryer 3 times to get his clothes dry. The local independent applianc store guy said "I sell speed queens", and showed the difference between cheap washers and Speed Queen's home products. https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx The owner said that the motor from a modern speed queen washer could be put in the 30-year old model. He showed how the speed queen springs are heavy-duty, while the Samsung and modern maytag springs are very light. My dad took his old dryer to the store for disposal. When he went back a few days later, he saw his old dryer for sale. It'd been opened it up, the block that none of the Sears warranty servicers could find was removed, and it was perfectly usable. Someone else had recently abandoned a kenmore front loader into the store's possession - it needed a circuit board, and wasn't worth fixing.
    - roseburg 10y ago
      I was going to say that when a dryer is taking too long to dry, but it's still heating up, it's not broken. It either needs to be cleaned because it's blocked up in the lint chute, or the ducting from the dryer to the outside of the house is blocked somewhere. It probably only took them 20-30 minutes to refurbish the old dryer and it will be good for another 5-10 years. What I shared above is very common knowledge in the repair industry, so odds are the Sears person that came out was either on his first day of the job or didn't even look at the machine. Sadly this happens a lot.
  - hga 10y ago
    As I understand it, Speed Queen bought a Whirlpool factor making old fashioned, electrical-mechanical controlled washers (and dryers, I guess) for the consumer market, and they have a great reputation in the field. Unless one has a major fault, which is of course especially likely before it gets to you due to shipping damage or a mistake in the factory. In that case, they effectively refuse to service your machine, because they pay their 3rd party repair crew per incident, not accounting for the work required for one. So if one of those electro-mechanical control units fails, as they were eventually prone to do in the bad old days, you're all set, but ... well, after finding this out, I ended up paying > $200 for a major repair to my 2007 GE washer, and plan to continue doing that as long as possible, it was designed and manufactured before these machines went completely to shit. Note also that in the US the Federal government pays companies to make their washers steadily do a poorer job in the name of energy efficiency (there are limits to other appliances, e.g. no one would accept a fridge which won't keep food in the safe zone, but not for washers). Whirlpool, which is essentially a pure play in appliances, didn't pay any taxes for a couple of years or so because of these credits they received from the Feds.

nickpsecurity 10y ago

Damn so there is a remaining patent. Buy it or not, there's at least a ticking clock toward a reliable machine. :) I reposted your article in Lobsters forum. Curious what you would reply to Ted's interesting points: https://lobste.rs/s/3rcyqa/they_used_last_50_years_appliance/comments/xm3enz#c_xm3enz https://lobste.rs/s/3rcyqa/they_used_last_50_years_appliance... He raises a few good points but one I don't have any detail on is the commercial washers and dryers. How much better or worse are they? What's the arrangement like in terms of is it the same crap with a profitable service contract or much better with maintenance provisions at reasonable points in time?

roseburg 10y ago
Speed Queen probably makes the highest quality machine right now. Then he's correct that it's then commercial machines. But those are very expensive and enormous in size making them impractical for consumer use. The business model right now is really built upon the fact that there are very few appliance manufacturers left. Consolidation has taken away the competition and it seems like those remaining have set the bar pretty low. I think they know if they make a cheap dishwasher that lasts 3 years, that person will have to buy another machine. Throw in new models each year and consumers have no hope of keeping track of what brand is good and who they should trust. Confusion reigns when it comes to buying appliances. So people don't hold the manufacturers accountable. I see a lot of similarities with the mattress industry.
- teslabox 10y ago
  My father was tired of having to run the dryer 3 times to get his clothes dry. The local independent applianc store guy said "I sell speed queens", and showed the difference between cheap washers and Speed Queen's home products. https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers.aspx The owner said that the motor from a modern speed queen washer could be put in the 30-year old model. He showed how the speed queen springs are heavy-duty, while the Samsung and modern maytag springs are very light. My dad took his old dryer to the store for disposal. When he went back a few days later, he saw his old dryer for sale. It'd been opened it up, the block that none of the Sears warranty servicers could find was removed, and it was perfectly usable. Someone else had recently abandoned a kenmore front loader into the store's possession - it needed a circuit board, and wasn't worth fixing.
  - roseburg 10y ago
    I was going to say that when a dryer is taking too long to dry, but it's still heating up, it's not broken. It either needs to be cleaned because it's blocked up in the lint chute, or the ducting from the dryer to the outside of the house is blocked somewhere. It probably only took them 20-30 minutes to refurbish the old dryer and it will be good for another 5-10 years. What I shared above is very common knowledge in the repair industry, so odds are the Sears person that came out was either on his first day of the job or didn't even look at the machine. Sadly this happens a lot.
- hga 10y ago
  As I understand it, Speed Queen bought a Whirlpool factor making old fashioned, electrical-mechanical controlled washers (and dryers, I guess) for the consumer market, and they have a great reputation in the field. Unless one has a major fault, which is of course especially likely before it gets to you due to shipping damage or a mistake in the factory. In that case, they effectively refuse to service your machine, because they pay their 3rd party repair crew per incident, not accounting for the work required for one. So if one of those electro-mechanical control units fails, as they were eventually prone to do in the bad old days, you're all set, but ... well, after finding this out, I ended up paying > $200 for a major repair to my 2007 GE washer, and plan to continue doing that as long as possible, it was designed and manufactured before these machines went completely to shit. Note also that in the US the Federal government pays companies to make their washers steadily do a poorer job in the name of energy efficiency (there are limits to other appliances, e.g. no one would accept a fridge which won't keep food in the safe zone, but not for washers). Whirlpool, which is essentially a pure play in appliances, didn't pay any taxes for a couple of years or so because of these credits they received from the Feds.