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Ever since the iPod Steve Jobs's vision for products always put an emphasis on seamless integration between different offerings. Carrying around a set of adapte

Ever since the iPod Steve Jobs's vision for products always put an emphasis on seamless integration between different offerings. Carrying around a set of adapters for these same-gen Apple products seems pretty contradictory to his original vision.

tim333 10y ago
If they'd just made the new pros with 3 usb C ports and one usb B then most of the connectivity headaches would have gone away. Also the 12" macbook could have had one usb C and one B. That's what I would have gone with.
- basch 10y ago
  that wouldnt force peripheral companies to adapt, and youd own ten gadgets competing for one port.
- stephenr 10y ago
  And then in 2 years time we have 1 less high speed usb-c port, when everything is using usb-c. Seriously, you're spending 2.5K on a laptop but $20 on an adapter for a device using a usb-a port is too much? This is just the typical Apple release bullshittery. No matter what they do, people want to complain for the sake of complaining.
  - tim333 10y ago
    Yeah but the vast majority of peripherals use usb-b. I solved the problem with the 12" Macbook by not buying it and sticking with my Air. My friend traded his Air in for the Macbook and hates that aspect of it - he has to get the adapter out all the time and tends to lose the things.
    - stephenr 10y ago
      Um, what? USB-B is a device-end port. It's the square port on your printer/scanner/etc type device. You probably mean USB-A, which is the rectangular one used by e.g. flash drives. Assuming that's what you meant: I don't care. People always harp on about how Apple does "planned obsolescence" to force hardware upgrades. Here they are, fully committing to cutting edge, amazingly versatile, backwards compatible, INDUSTRY STANDARD ports, meaning the MBP you buy in 2016 not only can use (via a relatively cheap new cable/adapter or a multi-device hub) any USB device released in the last 15 years, but also has a good chance of being future compatible with devices released for a good number of years, both low AND high speed. What is the response? Waaaaa I want to plug my old shit into my $2.5K laptop but $9 is going to break the bank. I have a 2011 MBP. It has 3x USB2, Firewire 800, Gig Ethernet and ONE freaking thunderbolt v1. Its still very usable, with one fucking exception. USB2 is slow as shit. Firewire drives have no adoption outside of Mac users, so they're not available everywhere, and when they are the price is ridiculous. If my MBP had 4 TB1 ports instead of all the legacy ports, yes I would have had to buy a couple of USB2 adapters back in the day, but I would be able to have multiple USB3 adapters now. The situation now is honestly the best scenario. Apple is embracing an industry standard and honestly the ones who aren't following it are the el-cheapo PC makers who are still shipping PS/2 and VGA ports.
      - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
        No, the issue is of convenience: most devices out there are not USB-C yet. Carrying around and losing adapters makes life less convenient.
        stephenr 10y ago
        So instead, you'd rather be inconvenienced in a few years when you have a heap of usb 3.0 ports that aren't forward compatible and you have only one or two tb3 ports?
  - h4waii 10y ago
    This has nothing to do with the financial price, and everything to do with the hassle. You can't just pick up your laptop and walk out the door knowing you'll be able to work with whatever you may run in to (within reason)... You now have to collect your selection of dongles and stuff them in your pocket, and hope you didn't forget the USB-C to USB-A/B, or to HDMI, or the SD reader. Having 2 legacy ports would have negated all of this, or build a hub device with the most used interfaces and include it.
    - stephenr 10y ago
      They literally sell a device that has usb-c to hdmi and usb-a plus usb-c for Charing. I really don't get the ad card thing. Post pro's use compact flash, and most consumers I'd expect to just plug in a usb cable directly to the camera to download photos.
dba7dba 10y ago
Seamless integration while maintaining a wall between apple and everything else

tim333 10y ago

If they'd just made the new pros with 3 usb C ports and one usb B then most of the connectivity headaches would have gone away. Also the 12" macbook could have had one usb C and one B. That's what I would have gone with.

basch 10y ago
that wouldnt force peripheral companies to adapt, and youd own ten gadgets competing for one port.
stephenr 10y ago
And then in 2 years time we have 1 less high speed usb-c port, when everything is using usb-c. Seriously, you're spending 2.5K on a laptop but $20 on an adapter for a device using a usb-a port is too much? This is just the typical Apple release bullshittery. No matter what they do, people want to complain for the sake of complaining.
- tim333 10y ago
  Yeah but the vast majority of peripherals use usb-b. I solved the problem with the 12" Macbook by not buying it and sticking with my Air. My friend traded his Air in for the Macbook and hates that aspect of it - he has to get the adapter out all the time and tends to lose the things.
  - stephenr 10y ago
    Um, what? USB-B is a device-end port. It's the square port on your printer/scanner/etc type device. You probably mean USB-A, which is the rectangular one used by e.g. flash drives. Assuming that's what you meant: I don't care. People always harp on about how Apple does "planned obsolescence" to force hardware upgrades. Here they are, fully committing to cutting edge, amazingly versatile, backwards compatible, INDUSTRY STANDARD ports, meaning the MBP you buy in 2016 not only can use (via a relatively cheap new cable/adapter or a multi-device hub) any USB device released in the last 15 years, but also has a good chance of being future compatible with devices released for a good number of years, both low AND high speed. What is the response? Waaaaa I want to plug my old shit into my $2.5K laptop but $9 is going to break the bank. I have a 2011 MBP. It has 3x USB2, Firewire 800, Gig Ethernet and ONE freaking thunderbolt v1. Its still very usable, with one fucking exception. USB2 is slow as shit. Firewire drives have no adoption outside of Mac users, so they're not available everywhere, and when they are the price is ridiculous. If my MBP had 4 TB1 ports instead of all the legacy ports, yes I would have had to buy a couple of USB2 adapters back in the day, but I would be able to have multiple USB3 adapters now. The situation now is honestly the best scenario. Apple is embracing an industry standard and honestly the ones who aren't following it are the el-cheapo PC makers who are still shipping PS/2 and VGA ports.
    - Ar-Curunir 10y ago
      No, the issue is of convenience: most devices out there are not USB-C yet. Carrying around and losing adapters makes life less convenient.
      - stephenr 10y ago
        So instead, you'd rather be inconvenienced in a few years when you have a heap of usb 3.0 ports that aren't forward compatible and you have only one or two tb3 ports?
- h4waii 10y ago
  This has nothing to do with the financial price, and everything to do with the hassle. You can't just pick up your laptop and walk out the door knowing you'll be able to work with whatever you may run in to (within reason)... You now have to collect your selection of dongles and stuff them in your pocket, and hope you didn't forget the USB-C to USB-A/B, or to HDMI, or the SD reader. Having 2 legacy ports would have negated all of this, or build a hub device with the most used interfaces and include it.
  - stephenr 10y ago
    They literally sell a device that has usb-c to hdmi and usb-a plus usb-c for Charing. I really don't get the ad card thing. Post pro's use compact flash, and most consumers I'd expect to just plug in a usb cable directly to the camera to download photos.

dba7dba 10y ago

Seamless integration while maintaining a wall between apple and everything else