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See, I would agree with you, and I definitely agree with their decision on the new MBP to put four Thunderbolt 3, but I don't understand why they didn't use a U

by Ph0X 10y ago

See, I would agree with you, and I definitely agree with their decision on the new MBP to put four Thunderbolt 3, but I don't understand why they didn't use a USB-C connector on the iPhone 7, which just came out. They removed the headphone jack and called it "courage", but real courage would've been to switch to USB-C. That is the future of connectors, and if you believe in it, why wouldn't you preach it across all your devices.

megablast 10y ago
You do know why, if you think about it for a bit. Look at the backlash Apple got for removing the 30 pin port on the iPhone. There are so many docks and devices out there which supports the lightning port, way more users than macbook users.
- baconner 10y ago
  Sure, but if they were following that logic there'd still be a headphone jack, no?
  - comex 10y ago
    The outcry would be worse if they changed both at the same time. And delaying the death of Lightning, if its death is indeed Apple's plan, will make it older at the time of the announcement, make it feel less like a bait and switch.
dynjo 10y ago
Easy...iPhone 8 won't have a charging port, no point changing it for one generation.
- geuis 10y ago
  That... actually makes sense.
  - tim333 10y ago
    Sort of except charging ports are kind of handy for charging the things.
    - dynjo 10y ago
      Given the Apple Watch has wireless charging and this https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/31/foxconn-iphone-8-wireless-charging/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/31/foxconn-iphone-8-wireless-cha... And Apple's obsession with removing holes, I would put money on it.
- joeguilmette 10y ago
  I would be pretty damn surprised if they got rid of wired charging completely... unless they get near-field charging really good, where my phone doesn't need to be in contact with the charger. Otherwise that makes external batteries way less useful. I think going to USB-C is much more likely. That said, a lot of new devices and headphones are using Lightning, so... who knows. Maybe Lightning has more life ahead of it.
  - vollmond 10y ago
    Yeah, and I need to be able to use my phone (like, hold-up-to-my-ear using) while it's charging.
    - chris_wot 10y ago
      Hell, I need to charge my phone whilst driving because I use the GPS and Google's traffic options. And Internet Radio and often podcasts.
    - jasonkostempski 10y ago
      That must be what the wireless headphones are for.
    - dynjo 10y ago
      It could still attach magnetically like the Watch charger, just no actual hole.
    - type0 10y ago
      Then it might just mean that you are holding it wrong
  - jasonkostempski 10y ago
    "Unless they get near-field charging really good" There's another option, you throw it out and buy a new one when the battery dies. I really wouldn't be too surprised at this point.
  - dynjo 10y ago
mattnewton 10y ago
Well, the cynical side of me says that they least have all these lightning-port apple-only headphones by beats to sell..
emp_zealoth 10y ago
USB-C being the industry standard means they no longer can gouge fools for their riddiculously shitty cables without strain reliefs
tammer 10y ago
This is a consistent complaint about the new systems but it ignores the history of Apple's device connectors. Macs are distinguished from iOS devices by a level of complexity; Mac users should be OK if they encounter a cable or device that isn't digitally compatible, its been that way since the beginning of consumer PC's. iOS isn't and never has been about those types of considerations.
rickyc091 10y ago
If they had used a usb-c plug on the iPhone 7 there would be a lot of blow back when iPhone's port fried since people were using third party cables that weren't regulated. It doesn't matter if Apple tells them not to use it. Media will put the blame on Apple even though it's the manufacturer's responsibility. This is why they require lightning cables to be certified. There are many more iPhone users than MacBook Pro users out there. My guess is there will still be some people bringing in fried ports to the Apple store, but it'll be a lot less than if they had released usb-c on the iPhone. http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/recommended-usb-c-chargers-for-pixel-phone/ http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/recommended-usb-c-chargers-f... By the wrong cable, fry your phone.

by Ph0X 10y ago

megablast 10y ago

You do know why, if you think about it for a bit. Look at the backlash Apple got for removing the 30 pin port on the iPhone. There are so many docks and devices out there which supports the lightning port, way more users than macbook users.

baconner 10y ago
Sure, but if they were following that logic there'd still be a headphone jack, no?
- comex 10y ago
  The outcry would be worse if they changed both at the same time. And delaying the death of Lightning, if its death is indeed Apple's plan, will make it older at the time of the announcement, make it feel less like a bait and switch.

dynjo 10y ago

Easy...iPhone 8 won't have a charging port, no point changing it for one generation.

geuis 10y ago
That... actually makes sense.
- tim333 10y ago
  Sort of except charging ports are kind of handy for charging the things.
  - dynjo 10y ago
    Given the Apple Watch has wireless charging and this https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/31/foxconn-iphone-8-wireless-charging/ https://9to5mac.com/2016/10/31/foxconn-iphone-8-wireless-cha... And Apple's obsession with removing holes, I would put money on it.
joeguilmette 10y ago
I would be pretty damn surprised if they got rid of wired charging completely... unless they get near-field charging really good, where my phone doesn't need to be in contact with the charger. Otherwise that makes external batteries way less useful. I think going to USB-C is much more likely. That said, a lot of new devices and headphones are using Lightning, so... who knows. Maybe Lightning has more life ahead of it.
- vollmond 10y ago
  Yeah, and I need to be able to use my phone (like, hold-up-to-my-ear using) while it's charging.
  - chris_wot 10y ago
    Hell, I need to charge my phone whilst driving because I use the GPS and Google's traffic options. And Internet Radio and often podcasts.
  - jasonkostempski 10y ago
    That must be what the wireless headphones are for.
  - dynjo 10y ago
    It could still attach magnetically like the Watch charger, just no actual hole.
  - type0 10y ago
    Then it might just mean that you are holding it wrong
- jasonkostempski 10y ago
  "Unless they get near-field charging really good" There's another option, you throw it out and buy a new one when the battery dies. I really wouldn't be too surprised at this point.
- dynjo 10y ago

mattnewton 10y ago

Well, the cynical side of me says that they least have all these lightning-port apple-only headphones by beats to sell..

emp_zealoth 10y ago

USB-C being the industry standard means they no longer can gouge fools for their riddiculously shitty cables without strain reliefs

tammer 10y ago

This is a consistent complaint about the new systems but it ignores the history of Apple's device connectors. Macs are distinguished from iOS devices by a level of complexity; Mac users should be OK if they encounter a cable or device that isn't digitally compatible, its been that way since the beginning of consumer PC's. iOS isn't and never has been about those types of considerations.

rickyc091 10y ago

If they had used a usb-c plug on the iPhone 7 there would be a lot of blow back when iPhone's port fried since people were using third party cables that weren't regulated. It doesn't matter if Apple tells them not to use it. Media will put the blame on Apple even though it's the manufacturer's responsibility. This is why they require lightning cables to be certified. There are many more iPhone users than MacBook Pro users out there. My guess is there will still be some people bringing in fried ports to the Apple store, but it'll be a lot less than if they had released usb-c on the iPhone. http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/recommended-usb-c-chargers-for-pixel-phone/ http://phandroid.com/2016/10/14/recommended-usb-c-chargers-f... By the wrong cable, fry your phone.