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Half the positives on this list I find to be kinda crazy to be positives. For example having Facebook Messenger handle your SMS messages. Really? You want to vo

by ebbv 10y ago

Half the positives on this list I find to be kinda crazy to be positives. For example having Facebook Messenger handle your SMS messages. Really? You want to voluntarily give all that info to a company as user hostile as Facebook? Less drastically I question the need to hide apps away in an app drawer. If you don't use the app then just delete it. Am I alone in feeling that way? I'm glad he's happy and the Pixel seems like a great phone but this list just felt half crazy to me.

voxic11 10y ago
Facebook SMS support is client side only. They do not get your texts in any way.
- ebbv 10y ago
  Are you absolutely sure about that? I'd like to believe you but I can't take it on faith. I completely expect Facebook is giving itself some level of info about your SMS messages unless there is some reason they can't.
  - voxic11 10y ago
    Trust is the only reason. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are examining the traffic of Facebook apps and someone would make a sink about it if there was evidence they were lieing about their privacy policy. That seems like an adequate assurance for most people but certainly not all.
- stanleydrew 10y ago
  They don't get your texts in the message routing sense, but they absolutely have access to the content and could be shipping it to their servers every 5 seconds or whatever. I don't think they are probably doing that, but there's not really any way to prevent them from doing that.
- deleted 10y ago
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- untog 10y ago
  Excuse me if I don't believe that - even if that is the case today - that it will be tomorrow. That said, if you already use Messenger for talking to friends, adding SMS isn't going to make a huge difference.
nowayyeah 10y ago
> You want to voluntarily give all that info to a company as user hostile as Facebook? He and 7 billion other people.
- ebbv 10y ago
  Seven billion people don't have Facebook handling their SMS messages.
  - nowayyeah 10y ago
    But share photos, videos, information about who knows who, messanger and now whatsapp. Edit: and which sites they visit and like.
chipperyman573 10y ago
I think the messenger part was the ability to give an app of your choosing permissions to be your default SMS app, and in this case he chose Facebook's. App drawer, it's personal preference but personally I like having a single home page and the rest of my apps in my drawer. But again that's just personal preference, I'm sure a lot of people would call it a negative because they have to manually move an app out of the app drawer every time they install one.
- spankalee 10y ago
  By default new apps are added the the home screen as well, so without curation you have a very iOS-like experience.
  - pionar 10y ago
    But that's pretty easy to turn off on Android.
stanleydrew 10y ago
> For example having Facebook Messenger handle your SMS messages. Really? You want to voluntarily give all that info to a company as user hostile as Facebook? The operating system shouldn't be paternalistically responsible for preventing this kind of preference. Some people do want to voluntarily give this information to FB in exchange for a simplified or more integrated messaging experience. I don't happen to be one of them (no FB account), but it's a meaningful positive that the OS allows this for a whole lot of people. > Less drastically I question the need to hide apps away in an app drawer. If you don't use the app then just delete it. Am I alone in feeling that way? Yes. I have an iPhone and a Pixel. The fact that I can't only keep 4, or 8, highly-used apps on my iPhone's primary home screen really does make it harder to use. Imagine a Windows or a MacOS desktop that was literally covered in evenly-spaced icons. There's a reason most people don't do that.
- ebbv 10y ago
  You absolutely can only have 4-8 apps on your iPhones home screen. You can move them all off to another page. You could move them to the fourth or fifth or whatever page if you don't want them on the second page.
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  - stanleydrew 10y ago
    Good to know. I'm obviously a bit out of date on my iOS UI knowledge. Will experiment with this now. After playing with the home screen on iOS for a minute I remember what was annoying. I can control how many apps appear on the home screen, but they always float up and to the left. If I want to use my phone one-handed most of the time, it's really critical that I be able to keep two rows of apps at the bottom of the screen. Currently impossible on iOS.
    - marcuskaz 10y ago
      yeh, I wish it defaulted to the opposite. I want the icons to start in the bottom-right corner since that's where my thumb is.

by ebbv 10y ago

voxic11 10y ago

Facebook SMS support is client side only. They do not get your texts in any way.

ebbv 10y ago
Are you absolutely sure about that? I'd like to believe you but I can't take it on faith. I completely expect Facebook is giving itself some level of info about your SMS messages unless there is some reason they can't.
- voxic11 10y ago
  Trust is the only reason. I'm sure there are plenty of people who are examining the traffic of Facebook apps and someone would make a sink about it if there was evidence they were lieing about their privacy policy. That seems like an adequate assurance for most people but certainly not all.
stanleydrew 10y ago
They don't get your texts in the message routing sense, but they absolutely have access to the content and could be shipping it to their servers every 5 seconds or whatever. I don't think they are probably doing that, but there's not really any way to prevent them from doing that.
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untog 10y ago
Excuse me if I don't believe that - even if that is the case today - that it will be tomorrow. That said, if you already use Messenger for talking to friends, adding SMS isn't going to make a huge difference.

nowayyeah 10y ago

> You want to voluntarily give all that info to a company as user hostile as Facebook? He and 7 billion other people.

ebbv 10y ago
Seven billion people don't have Facebook handling their SMS messages.
- nowayyeah 10y ago
  But share photos, videos, information about who knows who, messanger and now whatsapp. Edit: and which sites they visit and like.

chipperyman573 10y ago

I think the messenger part was the ability to give an app of your choosing permissions to be your default SMS app, and in this case he chose Facebook's. App drawer, it's personal preference but personally I like having a single home page and the rest of my apps in my drawer. But again that's just personal preference, I'm sure a lot of people would call it a negative because they have to manually move an app out of the app drawer every time they install one.

spankalee 10y ago
By default new apps are added the the home screen as well, so without curation you have a very iOS-like experience.
- pionar 10y ago
  But that's pretty easy to turn off on Android.

stanleydrew 10y ago

> For example having Facebook Messenger handle your SMS messages. Really? You want to voluntarily give all that info to a company as user hostile as Facebook? The operating system shouldn't be paternalistically responsible for preventing this kind of preference. Some people do want to voluntarily give this information to FB in exchange for a simplified or more integrated messaging experience. I don't happen to be one of them (no FB account), but it's a meaningful positive that the OS allows this for a whole lot of people. > Less drastically I question the need to hide apps away in an app drawer. If you don't use the app then just delete it. Am I alone in feeling that way? Yes. I have an iPhone and a Pixel. The fact that I can't only keep 4, or 8, highly-used apps on my iPhone's primary home screen really does make it harder to use. Imagine a Windows or a MacOS desktop that was literally covered in evenly-spaced icons. There's a reason most people don't do that.

ebbv 10y ago
You absolutely can only have 4-8 apps on your iPhones home screen. You can move them all off to another page. You could move them to the fourth or fifth or whatever page if you don't want them on the second page.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- stanleydrew 10y ago
  Good to know. I'm obviously a bit out of date on my iOS UI knowledge. Will experiment with this now. After playing with the home screen on iOS for a minute I remember what was annoying. I can control how many apps appear on the home screen, but they always float up and to the left. If I want to use my phone one-handed most of the time, it's really critical that I be able to keep two rows of apps at the bottom of the screen. Currently impossible on iOS.
  - marcuskaz 10y ago
    yeh, I wish it defaulted to the opposite. I want the icons to start in the bottom-right corner since that's where my thumb is.