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I found it interesting that the FCC's recommendation was to build an opt-out system, since this is so obviously anti-human and pro-corporation. It shows where t

I found it interesting that the FCC's recommendation was to build an opt-out system, since this is so obviously anti-human and pro-corporation. It shows where their interests lie. This kind of system should be opt-in only, with hand-signed agreements.

Analemma_ 10y ago
Exactly. Opt-out systems are fine for things like organ donation, because a reasonable person could go either way. Building an opt-out system that no one in their right mind would ever opt into just reeks of anti-consumer behavior trying to hide behind a polite face.
- mason55 10y ago
  > Building an opt-out system that no one in their right mind would ever opt into just reeks of anti-consumer behavior trying to hide behind a polite face. What system are you referring to? If the system is "opt in to being tracked if you want to read this/use this service for free" then plenty of people would opt in. Look at Facebook.
  - danbruc 10y ago
    People do this because they get some value like looking at cat pictures in exchange and to some extend certainly also because they misjudge the value they receive as compared to the value they give away. If you only track users and don't provide some value in exchange, then nobody should opt in. And the value probably also has to be immediate to some extend, just promising to provide better services in a year after analyzing the data will probably not convince many to opt in.
  - vaishaksuresh 10y ago
    Your example is not completely relevant. Facebook has been known to track people who are not actually Facebook users, meaning they never opted in.
- pklausler 10y ago
  Whoa, wait a sec there with your example. How would a reasonable person not want to be an organ donor??
  - rfrank 10y ago
    Religious reasons, family not wanting that to happen, etc.
    - pklausler 10y ago
      If your religion forbids saving or improving the lives of others with organs you're done with, please consider alternatives.
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      - ghurtado 10y ago
        Religion doesn't work that way. You don't go "Well, I have this set of values, so I think XYZ is the right religion for me". There are exceptions, but most of the time it's actually exactly the opposite.
      - RIMR 10y ago
        If one facet of someone's faith is enough for you to dismiss their entire belief system, you clearly don't even try to understand others' differences to yourself...
        pklausler 10y ago
        Oh, I try. But in the case of organ donation, I simply fail to understand the reasoning. If you're dead, why not save a life, renew sight, or otherwise greatly improve the life of another? Are there people who think that organ donation would hurt them in an afterlife? We, at least in the first world, live in societies with freedom of conscience and belief, so people should at least think through the consequences of their choices on others. (And on themselves; if there's an afterlife, do you really want to risk being judged on the basis of having chosen to deny a chance at health and wellbeing to another person?)

Analemma_ 10y ago

Exactly. Opt-out systems are fine for things like organ donation, because a reasonable person could go either way. Building an opt-out system that no one in their right mind would ever opt into just reeks of anti-consumer behavior trying to hide behind a polite face.

mason55 10y ago
> Building an opt-out system that no one in their right mind would ever opt into just reeks of anti-consumer behavior trying to hide behind a polite face. What system are you referring to? If the system is "opt in to being tracked if you want to read this/use this service for free" then plenty of people would opt in. Look at Facebook.
- danbruc 10y ago
  People do this because they get some value like looking at cat pictures in exchange and to some extend certainly also because they misjudge the value they receive as compared to the value they give away. If you only track users and don't provide some value in exchange, then nobody should opt in. And the value probably also has to be immediate to some extend, just promising to provide better services in a year after analyzing the data will probably not convince many to opt in.
- vaishaksuresh 10y ago
  Your example is not completely relevant. Facebook has been known to track people who are not actually Facebook users, meaning they never opted in.
pklausler 10y ago
Whoa, wait a sec there with your example. How would a reasonable person not want to be an organ donor??
- rfrank 10y ago
  Religious reasons, family not wanting that to happen, etc.
  - pklausler 10y ago
    If your religion forbids saving or improving the lives of others with organs you're done with, please consider alternatives.
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    - ghurtado 10y ago
      Religion doesn't work that way. You don't go "Well, I have this set of values, so I think XYZ is the right religion for me". There are exceptions, but most of the time it's actually exactly the opposite.
    - RIMR 10y ago
      If one facet of someone's faith is enough for you to dismiss their entire belief system, you clearly don't even try to understand others' differences to yourself...
      - pklausler 10y ago
        Oh, I try. But in the case of organ donation, I simply fail to understand the reasoning. If you're dead, why not save a life, renew sight, or otherwise greatly improve the life of another? Are there people who think that organ donation would hurt them in an afterlife? We, at least in the first world, live in societies with freedom of conscience and belief, so people should at least think through the consequences of their choices on others. (And on themselves; if there's an afterlife, do you really want to risk being judged on the basis of having chosen to deny a chance at health and wellbeing to another person?)