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Does it count if you implement something but the UX is so terrible that no one ever uses it?

devonkim 10y ago
Nobody really remembers the Diamond Rio Karma but everyone knows about the iPod. History is only acknowledged by historians, perception is reality otherwise.
- justinsaccount 10y ago
  I think the fact that all portable mp3 players had terrible UX and were not successful until the iPod kind of proves my point here.
- icefox 10y ago
  Before the Karma the Rio PMP300 was very cool! Portable mp3's! You could load up ~20-30 minutes on its 32mb. This completely blew away the first mp3 player I saw which could only hold 8mb which was still amazing in its own right.
pjmlp 10y ago
The company I worked for in 1999 was using HP-UX containers, aka Virtual Vaults. I could also add the several solutions done by mainframes, or other UNIXes like Tru64.
beedogs 10y ago
I dunno where you were in 2007, but every big shop was running Solaris zones at one point. And AIX LPARs before that.
- justinsaccount 10y ago
  I worked at a university then, no one was using solaris zones. I think they had the 2 big AIX boxes that had lpars enabled in a fixed configuration that never changed. all solaris and aix was ripped out and replaced with linux.
4ad 10y ago
Solaris zones UX is still unsurpassed to this day. I'd pay a lot of money for Linux container tooling as polished as Solaris Zones.
- justinsaccount 10y ago
  The problem with zones was that you used them to run solaris which as a distribution was a complete disaster. Maybe it worked if the only thing you them for was to run oracle. I had created a bunch of solaris zones and then had the great idea to patch them.. everything broke. I'm actually using smartos at home now. kvm and debian lx zones. works great. A solid platform with a UX that doesn't make me want to kill myself.
  - 4ad 10y ago
    One man's trash another man's treasure. Solaris 10 packaging was awful, but IPS in Solaris 11 (soon 12) and OmniOS is great and the integration with zones is fantastic.
    - justinsaccount 10y ago
      Well, you did say "Solaris zones UX is still unsurpassed" Still implies that it was always good.. It was absolutely terrible in Solaris 10. Maybe it's better now. Maybe with solaris 11 they fixed it so you didn't have to chose between a full zone that took 5GB or a 400MB sparse zone that would break in fun ways when you tried to do anything. At the time I was using xen+debian and a 'full' vm for me was about 200MB. Basically base system+sshd+whatever daemon I needed to run. Attempting to do the same thing using zones was a complete disaster.

Nobody really remembers the Diamond Rio Karma but everyone knows about the iPod. History is only acknowledged by historians, perception is reality otherwise.

justinsaccount 10y ago
I think the fact that all portable mp3 players had terrible UX and were not successful until the iPod kind of proves my point here.
icefox 10y ago
Before the Karma the Rio PMP300 was very cool! Portable mp3's! You could load up ~20-30 minutes on its 32mb. This completely blew away the first mp3 player I saw which could only hold 8mb which was still amazing in its own right.

pjmlp 10y ago

The company I worked for in 1999 was using HP-UX containers, aka Virtual Vaults. I could also add the several solutions done by mainframes, or other UNIXes like Tru64.

beedogs 10y ago

I dunno where you were in 2007, but every big shop was running Solaris zones at one point. And AIX LPARs before that.

justinsaccount 10y ago
I worked at a university then, no one was using solaris zones. I think they had the 2 big AIX boxes that had lpars enabled in a fixed configuration that never changed. all solaris and aix was ripped out and replaced with linux.

4ad 10y ago

Solaris zones UX is still unsurpassed to this day. I'd pay a lot of money for Linux container tooling as polished as Solaris Zones.

justinsaccount 10y ago
The problem with zones was that you used them to run solaris which as a distribution was a complete disaster. Maybe it worked if the only thing you them for was to run oracle. I had created a bunch of solaris zones and then had the great idea to patch them.. everything broke. I'm actually using smartos at home now. kvm and debian lx zones. works great. A solid platform with a UX that doesn't make me want to kill myself.
- 4ad 10y ago
  One man's trash another man's treasure. Solaris 10 packaging was awful, but IPS in Solaris 11 (soon 12) and OmniOS is great and the integration with zones is fantastic.
  - justinsaccount 10y ago
    Well, you did say "Solaris zones UX is still unsurpassed" Still implies that it was always good.. It was absolutely terrible in Solaris 10. Maybe it's better now. Maybe with solaris 11 they fixed it so you didn't have to chose between a full zone that took 5GB or a 400MB sparse zone that would break in fun ways when you tried to do anything. At the time I was using xen+debian and a 'full' vm for me was about 200MB. Basically base system+sshd+whatever daemon I needed to run. Attempting to do the same thing using zones was a complete disaster.