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What I don't understand is why control of window behavior, including hiding/minimizing, is up to the programmer and not the user. Goes for every OS/shell I've

by Qz 17y ago

What I don't understand is why control of window behavior, including hiding/minimizing, is up to the programmer and not the user. Goes for every OS/shell I've seen so far.

sandGorgon 17y ago
upvoted. This is a very valid question - the system tray imho is just a moniker for a 16x16 icon. I would want the ability to either minimize any app to a normal toolbar or dock to a system tray.
- vlisivka 17y ago
  > I would want the ability to either minimize any app to a normal toolbar or dock to a system tray. Use alltray: [quote] Dock any application in the tray With AllTray you can dock any application without a native tray icon into the system tray. It works well with GNOME, KDE, XFCE 4, Fluxbox, and WindowMaker. [/quote] PS. I prefer to use switch-or-exec plugin in Sawfish at hot-key: I will press hotkey, Sawfish will switch to application desktop area and then bring application window. If application is not running, then Sawfish will run it. Configuration is very simple: regexp for window title or window properties to find application window and command line to execute when application window is not found. For example, I can press "Alt-Shift-e" to switch to editor window to enter few notes. If editor is not found, then new editor will be run. When I will finish, I will press "Alt-Shift-b" to switch back to browser, "A-S-m" for mail, "A-S-i" for IDE, "A-S-t" for terminal, and so on.
  - Qz 17y ago
    "Configuration is very simple: regexp for..." I did a double take right there.
stanleydrew 17y ago
I'm surprised one of the legions of Apple fans hasn't answered yet. I can guess what a fan would say though: "it's not up to users because computers are already too complicated and have too many configuration options and users just want something simple that works and they need the programmers/designers to pick the "right" way and just implement it.

by Qz 17y ago

What I don't understand is why control of window behavior, including hiding/minimizing, is up to the programmer and not the user. Goes for every OS/shell I've seen so far.

sandGorgon 17y ago

upvoted. This is a very valid question - the system tray imho is just a moniker for a 16x16 icon. I would want the ability to either minimize any app to a normal toolbar or dock to a system tray.

vlisivka 17y ago
> I would want the ability to either minimize any app to a normal toolbar or dock to a system tray. Use alltray: [quote] Dock any application in the tray With AllTray you can dock any application without a native tray icon into the system tray. It works well with GNOME, KDE, XFCE 4, Fluxbox, and WindowMaker. [/quote] PS. I prefer to use switch-or-exec plugin in Sawfish at hot-key: I will press hotkey, Sawfish will switch to application desktop area and then bring application window. If application is not running, then Sawfish will run it. Configuration is very simple: regexp for window title or window properties to find application window and command line to execute when application window is not found. For example, I can press "Alt-Shift-e" to switch to editor window to enter few notes. If editor is not found, then new editor will be run. When I will finish, I will press "Alt-Shift-b" to switch back to browser, "A-S-m" for mail, "A-S-i" for IDE, "A-S-t" for terminal, and so on.
- Qz 17y ago
  "Configuration is very simple: regexp for..." I did a double take right there.

stanleydrew 17y ago

I'm surprised one of the legions of Apple fans hasn't answered yet. I can guess what a fan would say though: "it's not up to users because computers are already too complicated and have too many configuration options and users just want something simple that works and they need the programmers/designers to pick the "right" way and just implement it.