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The only ridiculous false allegations in your comment are the ones against George Soros. The allegations against Trump are neither (provably) false nor ridiculo

by warlox 10y ago

The only ridiculous false allegations in your comment are the ones against George Soros. The allegations against Trump are neither (provably) false nor ridiculous. Donald Trump is just as involved with Epstein as Bill Clinton is.

notoothpaste 10y ago
None of those statements about the Clintons give you pause or merit a response? Are you really ok with any of that? >The only ridiculous false allegations in your comment are the ones against George Soros. That is far too deep a rabbit hole to get into in an HN comment, but for starters, he is both one of Hillary's largest donors, and he owns the companies that make our voting machines. The very same voting machines that have already in early voting experienced a high frequency of "glitches" flipping votes from straight-ticket conservative ballots to Hillary. >The allegations against Trump are neither (provably) false nor ridiculous... Donald Trump is just as involved with Epstein as Bill Clinton is. He flew on his plane once when he needed to get from (IIRC) Florida to NYC quickly. Eye witnesses confirmed that there weren't any young girls on the flight, let alone females. The media doesn't push Trump + Epstein because they know they have nothing and that it would only backfire on the Clintons. Here's a bit from Wikipedia to me about the Trump child assault allegations. Unless you have your head in the sand and want to hate Trump, they sure sound like bullshit to me. "Another woman, identified as Katie Johnson, filed a lawsuit in California on April 26, 2016, accusing Epstein and Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13 years old.[52][53][54] Judges Ronnie Abrams and James C. Francis IV presided over the case against Epstein and Trump.[55] The suit was dismissed after it was determined that the address listed for "Katie Johnson" was a foreclosed abandoned home whose resident had died and the provided telephone contact information was also not a functioning contact.[52] A new lawsuit was filed in June 2016, this time in a Manhattan federal court, and without some of the initial accusations made in the initial lawsuit, including claims by the plaintiff that Trump threw money for an abortion at Johnson and that he called Epstein a "Jew bastard".[56] The lawsuit was voluntarily dismissed in September. Her lawyer stated that she would re-file the lawsuit and would provide an additional witness to substantiate the claims.[57] On September 30, 2016, a woman identified as "Jane Doe" (the same person previously identified as "Katie Johnson" in the California lawsuit) filed a new lawsuit in New York, with an additional witness identified by the pseudonym "Joan Doe".[58][59] There is no further information on these allegations outside the claims made anonymously by "Katie Johnson" and "Joan Doe".[52] Civil rights lawyer and legal analyst Lisa Bloom wrote in June 2016 that the claims by the anonymous individuals were credible.[54] However, journalist Jon Swaine reported in The Guardian in July 2016 that the "Katie Johnson" lawsuits appeared to be orchestrated by Norm Lubow, a former producer on the The Jerry Springer Show, whom he described as "an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities".[60]"
- zimpenfish 10y ago
  http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billion... disagrees with "He flew on his plane once" as the only involvement Trump had with Epstein. > “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. Calling him a “terrific guy,” Trump continued, “He’s a lot of fun to be with.“ > in the late ’90s, Trump would attend dinner parties at the 71st Street mansion. > In April 1999, The Mail spotted Trump among the guests at a dinner Epstein threw in honor of Prince Andrew. > Police evidence shows Trump has called Epstein, flown on Epstein’s plane, and eaten in Epstein’s Florida home.
- notoothpaste 10y ago
  Too late to edit, but how can I forget, Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club after he caught him hitting on an underaged girl.
- warlox 10y ago
  > That is far too deep a rabbit hole to get into in an HN comment, but for starters, he is both one of Hillary's largest donors, and he owns the companies that make our voting machines. The very same voting machines that have already in early voting experienced a high frequency of "glitches" flipping votes from straight-ticket conservative ballots to Hillary. Citation needed. No right wing conspiracy sites/blogs or other unreliable sources, please. As for the Clinton/Trump stuff, I'm not even going to engage with you on it because I've already made my decision based on the fact that I want to keep the KKK Nazis as far away from power as possible, independent of any of the candidates' personal scandals.
mcv 10y ago
> Donald Trump is just as involved with Epstein as Bill Clinton is. And of those two, only one is currently running for president. It's interesting to see Trump supporters go out of their way of pointing out that Bill Clinton is nearly as terrible as Donald Trump because they can't find that level of dirt on Hillary Clinton, but it ignores two important facts: * Donald Trump is every bit as bad as Bill Clinton on these issues (if not worse) * Bill Clinton is not running for president. Attacking him with the exact same dirt that Donald Trump has, is (or should be, in a sane society) be counterproductive. Attacking Bill for these things while continuing to support Donald is the height of hypocrisy.
- notoothpaste 10y ago
  I wonder what it's like to experience this level of cognitive dissonance.
  - mcv 10y ago
    We may never know. But here's what I suspect: maybe they don't experience cognitive dissonance at all. Many Trump supporters, like Trump himself, don't seem at all interested in any kind of rational consistency; it's all fear and emotion and gut feelings and hatred, and they latch on to any argument that superficially seems to justify their hatred, completely oblivious to the fact that their argument would hurt their own candidate even more. It's only a theory of course; I can't look inside their heads. But the lack of consistency is clear.
    - warlox 10y ago
      notoothpaste is a Trump supporter. He's accusing you of cognitive dissonance.
      - mcv 10y ago
        His comment works better the other way around.

by warlox 10y ago

notoothpaste 10y ago

None of those statements about the Clintons give you pause or merit a response? Are you really ok with any of that? >The only ridiculous false allegations in your comment are the ones against George Soros. That is far too deep a rabbit hole to get into in an HN comment, but for starters, he is both one of Hillary's largest donors, and he owns the companies that make our voting machines. The very same voting machines that have already in early voting experienced a high frequency of "glitches" flipping votes from straight-ticket conservative ballots to Hillary. >The allegations against Trump are neither (provably) false nor ridiculous... Donald Trump is just as involved with Epstein as Bill Clinton is. He flew on his plane once when he needed to get from (IIRC) Florida to NYC quickly. Eye witnesses confirmed that there weren't any young girls on the flight, let alone females. The media doesn't push Trump + Epstein because they know they have nothing and that it would only backfire on the Clintons. Here's a bit from Wikipedia to me about the Trump child assault allegations. Unless you have your head in the sand and want to hate Trump, they sure sound like bullshit to me. "Another woman, identified as Katie Johnson, filed a lawsuit in California on April 26, 2016, accusing Epstein and Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump of raping her in 1994, when she was 13 years old.[52][53][54] Judges Ronnie Abrams and James C. Francis IV presided over the case against Epstein and Trump.[55] The suit was dismissed after it was determined that the address listed for "Katie Johnson" was a foreclosed abandoned home whose resident had died and the provided telephone contact information was also not a functioning contact.[52] A new lawsuit was filed in June 2016, this time in a Manhattan federal court, and without some of the initial accusations made in the initial lawsuit, including claims by the plaintiff that Trump threw money for an abortion at Johnson and that he called Epstein a "Jew bastard".[56] The lawsuit was voluntarily dismissed in September. Her lawyer stated that she would re-file the lawsuit and would provide an additional witness to substantiate the claims.[57] On September 30, 2016, a woman identified as "Jane Doe" (the same person previously identified as "Katie Johnson" in the California lawsuit) filed a new lawsuit in New York, with an additional witness identified by the pseudonym "Joan Doe".[58][59] There is no further information on these allegations outside the claims made anonymously by "Katie Johnson" and "Joan Doe".[52] Civil rights lawyer and legal analyst Lisa Bloom wrote in June 2016 that the claims by the anonymous individuals were credible.[54] However, journalist Jon Swaine reported in The Guardian in July 2016 that the "Katie Johnson" lawsuits appeared to be orchestrated by Norm Lubow, a former producer on the The Jerry Springer Show, whom he described as "an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities".[60]"

zimpenfish 10y ago
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billion... disagrees with "He flew on his plane once" as the only involvement Trump had with Epstein. > “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years,” Trump told New York Magazine in 2002. Calling him a “terrific guy,” Trump continued, “He’s a lot of fun to be with.“ > in the late ’90s, Trump would attend dinner parties at the 71st Street mansion. > In April 1999, The Mail spotted Trump among the guests at a dinner Epstein threw in honor of Prince Andrew. > Police evidence shows Trump has called Epstein, flown on Epstein’s plane, and eaten in Epstein’s Florida home.
notoothpaste 10y ago
Too late to edit, but how can I forget, Trump banned Epstein from his Mar-a-Lago club after he caught him hitting on an underaged girl.
warlox 10y ago
> That is far too deep a rabbit hole to get into in an HN comment, but for starters, he is both one of Hillary's largest donors, and he owns the companies that make our voting machines. The very same voting machines that have already in early voting experienced a high frequency of "glitches" flipping votes from straight-ticket conservative ballots to Hillary. Citation needed. No right wing conspiracy sites/blogs or other unreliable sources, please. As for the Clinton/Trump stuff, I'm not even going to engage with you on it because I've already made my decision based on the fact that I want to keep the KKK Nazis as far away from power as possible, independent of any of the candidates' personal scandals.

mcv 10y ago

> Donald Trump is just as involved with Epstein as Bill Clinton is. And of those two, only one is currently running for president. It's interesting to see Trump supporters go out of their way of pointing out that Bill Clinton is nearly as terrible as Donald Trump because they can't find that level of dirt on Hillary Clinton, but it ignores two important facts: * Donald Trump is every bit as bad as Bill Clinton on these issues (if not worse) * Bill Clinton is not running for president. Attacking him with the exact same dirt that Donald Trump has, is (or should be, in a sane society) be counterproductive. Attacking Bill for these things while continuing to support Donald is the height of hypocrisy.

notoothpaste 10y ago
I wonder what it's like to experience this level of cognitive dissonance.
- mcv 10y ago
  We may never know. But here's what I suspect: maybe they don't experience cognitive dissonance at all. Many Trump supporters, like Trump himself, don't seem at all interested in any kind of rational consistency; it's all fear and emotion and gut feelings and hatred, and they latch on to any argument that superficially seems to justify their hatred, completely oblivious to the fact that their argument would hurt their own candidate even more. It's only a theory of course; I can't look inside their heads. But the lack of consistency is clear.
  - warlox 10y ago
    notoothpaste is a Trump supporter. He's accusing you of cognitive dissonance.
    - mcv 10y ago
      His comment works better the other way around.