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> Soviets/Russians did not kill the native population of the republics on massive scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H

> Soviets/Russians did not kill the native population of the republics on massive scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor > did not have "sits only for white" in the public transit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes > native languages had equal representation with Russian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russification

RandomName2020 10y ago
If you are from a Baltic country there is no point to argue with you, because the sentiment against Russia and everything Russian, for whatever reason, is so strong, that people celebrate Nazis as heroes, just because they against Russia. Holodomor was not a genocide against Ukranians, it was ideologically charged event, so it is not comparable to genocide gainst Native Americans, or lynching. "And you lynching Negroes" is more applicable to you line of argumentation than to mine; the way minorities were treated in post-Stalin USSR and America of 40-50-60s is absolutely incomparable, not even close. I myself grew up in former republic of USSR and can attest that Russian and the local language (let say Azerbaijani; may be it was a different one) had equal representation with Russian and all the position of local power were stuffed by the local ethnicities.
- phillc73 10y ago
  > Holodomor was not a genocide against Ukranians, it was ideologically charged event This is still a debatable point, with no clear agreed definition. "The Holodomor genocide question consists of the attempts to determine whether the Holodomor, the catastrophic man-made famine of 1933 that claimed millions of lives in Ukraine, was an ethnic genocide or an unintended result of the "Soviet regime's re-direction of already drought-reduced grain supplies to attain economic and political goals." The event is recognized as a crime against humanity by the European Parliament, and a genocide in Ukraine, while the Russian Federation considers it part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33 and corresponding famine relief effort The debate among historians is ongoing and there is no international consensus among scholars or governments on whether the Soviet policies that caused the famine fall under the legal definition of genocide."[1] However you view it, it was an horrific event where millions died of hunger. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question
  - RandomName2020 10y ago
    It was not directed against Ukranians as ethnos, period. USSR was not a Russian supremacist country. Remember, Stalin, during whose reign Holodomor happened was a Georgian, Khruschev was Ukranian, Brezhnev - Ukranian, Andropov - Russian, Chernenko - Ukranian, Gorbachev - half Ukranian. So most of supreme leaders of USSR were at least partially Ukranians.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      It was not directed against Ukranians as ethnos, period. The scholarly debate on this issue is to say the least, very complex. You can't just say "it wasn't directed against Ukrainians as a people, period." Khruschev was Ukrainian, Khrushchev was born to poor parents of Russian descent. Anyway, while hardly a saint, he doesn't appear to had much, if any, role in the Holomodor. Chernenko is generally regarded to be of mixed background. As to Brezhnev, Brezhnev was born on 19 December 1906 in Kamianske in Ukraine), to metalworker Ilya Yakovlevich Brezhnev and his wife, Natalia Denisovna Mazalova. His parents used to live in Brezhnevo (Kursky District, Kursk Oblast, Russia) before moving to Kamenskoe. Brezhnev's ethnicity was specified as Ukrainian in some documents, including his passport, and Russian in others. --WP The most "Ukrainian" of any of these may have been Gorbachev. But we all know where he sits in the pantheon of "supreme leaders" of the USSR.
      - RandomName2020 10y ago
        You can try to spin it anyway you want. Stalin, as Georgian, had no, absolutely no feeling towards Ukranians, as for example Finnish people have zero feelings towards Portuguese. There was no desire to eradicate Ukranians as ethnicity, in a way Hitler tried to eradicate Jewish people. There was no desire to destroy Ukranian culture. In fact, Khruschev , no matter what official sources say, was widely considered to be Ukranian, has always been seen wearing Ukranian ethical closing, and was instrumental in moving Crimea to Ukraine from Russia. Ukranian writers, such as Gogol, Shevchenko were considered extremly important part of Soviet culture,and no matter what was the resublic you lived at it was taught in the schools. Nothing close to the treatment of Native Americans, Asians and Blacks in the post-war United States.
- kbart 10y ago
  Your upper comments are utter bullshit and outright lies. Flagged it. "If you are from a Baltic country <..> people celebrate Nazis as heroes, just because they against Russia." No. Simply no.
  - RandomName2020 10y ago
    Go for it. Neonazism in Baltic countries is widespread and government put a blind eye on it. Report as much as you want truth won't change.

RandomName2020 10y ago

If you are from a Baltic country there is no point to argue with you, because the sentiment against Russia and everything Russian, for whatever reason, is so strong, that people celebrate Nazis as heroes, just because they against Russia. Holodomor was not a genocide against Ukranians, it was ideologically charged event, so it is not comparable to genocide gainst Native Americans, or lynching. "And you lynching Negroes" is more applicable to you line of argumentation than to mine; the way minorities were treated in post-Stalin USSR and America of 40-50-60s is absolutely incomparable, not even close. I myself grew up in former republic of USSR and can attest that Russian and the local language (let say Azerbaijani; may be it was a different one) had equal representation with Russian and all the position of local power were stuffed by the local ethnicities.

phillc73 10y ago
> Holodomor was not a genocide against Ukranians, it was ideologically charged event This is still a debatable point, with no clear agreed definition. "The Holodomor genocide question consists of the attempts to determine whether the Holodomor, the catastrophic man-made famine of 1933 that claimed millions of lives in Ukraine, was an ethnic genocide or an unintended result of the "Soviet regime's re-direction of already drought-reduced grain supplies to attain economic and political goals." The event is recognized as a crime against humanity by the European Parliament, and a genocide in Ukraine, while the Russian Federation considers it part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932–33 and corresponding famine relief effort The debate among historians is ongoing and there is no international consensus among scholars or governments on whether the Soviet policies that caused the famine fall under the legal definition of genocide."[1] However you view it, it was an horrific event where millions died of hunger. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor_genocide_question
- RandomName2020 10y ago
  It was not directed against Ukranians as ethnos, period. USSR was not a Russian supremacist country. Remember, Stalin, during whose reign Holodomor happened was a Georgian, Khruschev was Ukranian, Brezhnev - Ukranian, Andropov - Russian, Chernenko - Ukranian, Gorbachev - half Ukranian. So most of supreme leaders of USSR were at least partially Ukranians.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    It was not directed against Ukranians as ethnos, period. The scholarly debate on this issue is to say the least, very complex. You can't just say "it wasn't directed against Ukrainians as a people, period." Khruschev was Ukrainian, Khrushchev was born to poor parents of Russian descent. Anyway, while hardly a saint, he doesn't appear to had much, if any, role in the Holomodor. Chernenko is generally regarded to be of mixed background. As to Brezhnev, Brezhnev was born on 19 December 1906 in Kamianske in Ukraine), to metalworker Ilya Yakovlevich Brezhnev and his wife, Natalia Denisovna Mazalova. His parents used to live in Brezhnevo (Kursky District, Kursk Oblast, Russia) before moving to Kamenskoe. Brezhnev's ethnicity was specified as Ukrainian in some documents, including his passport, and Russian in others. --WP The most "Ukrainian" of any of these may have been Gorbachev. But we all know where he sits in the pantheon of "supreme leaders" of the USSR.
    - RandomName2020 10y ago
      You can try to spin it anyway you want. Stalin, as Georgian, had no, absolutely no feeling towards Ukranians, as for example Finnish people have zero feelings towards Portuguese. There was no desire to eradicate Ukranians as ethnicity, in a way Hitler tried to eradicate Jewish people. There was no desire to destroy Ukranian culture. In fact, Khruschev , no matter what official sources say, was widely considered to be Ukranian, has always been seen wearing Ukranian ethical closing, and was instrumental in moving Crimea to Ukraine from Russia. Ukranian writers, such as Gogol, Shevchenko were considered extremly important part of Soviet culture,and no matter what was the resublic you lived at it was taught in the schools. Nothing close to the treatment of Native Americans, Asians and Blacks in the post-war United States.
kbart 10y ago
Your upper comments are utter bullshit and outright lies. Flagged it. "If you are from a Baltic country <..> people celebrate Nazis as heroes, just because they against Russia." No. Simply no.
- RandomName2020 10y ago
  Go for it. Neonazism in Baltic countries is widespread and government put a blind eye on it. Report as much as you want truth won't change.