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> Historically, most things have been terrible. There is no historical era I would like to live in more than the one we have now. Not even long history. I'm ta

> Historically, most things have been terrible. There is no historical era I would like to live in more than the one we have now. Not even long history. I'm talking even our modern tech companies, where many were started out of a garage by a few very non-diverse people. > Taking recent history, America has been enormously successful and prominent, especially in technology. And America, as a nation of immigrants, has unusually high levels of diversity and inclusion. What in modern America qualifies as non-diverse would still historically be very diverse. I think you're right, although this doesn't make a strong case for diversifying our almost completely white/asian/male technology industry or any company. > It's nice when people share their feelings. Do you feel better? If so, good. "I also feel like it's a false equivalency" is the phrase I went with after softening down "your argument is dishonest and misleading," which is itself softened down from the original response of anyone rational watching you compare hiring both front end and back end developers to hiring "diverse" team members. > That aside, I'm not sure why you think the feelings of J Random Commenter would be relevant to me as compared with my years of experience building and running teams. Your comment I responded to asked for a contrary assertion. My apologies if I offended you, but I really think it's helpful for people in your position to be exposed to an alternative view. Few are going to honestly respond to things like this in person out of fear of being labeled racist / sexist, but these aren't racist or sexist views and they aren't uncommon. > Given the throwaway account, even you don't appear to take your opinions very seriously. I do take them seriously, but it's not prudent to say politically incorrect things on an account linked to your real identity. I apologize if the comment bothered you.

wpietri 10y ago
> Your comment I responded to asked for a contrary assertion. No. No it did not. I asked oldmanjay if, having falsely criticized me for asserting things with evidence, he wanted to make a contrary assertion with evidence. This was a rhetorical device to draw an interlocutor out. I neither asked for nor wanted an Internet random to offer half-baked, unevidenced pro-racist, pro-sexist waffle, thanks. > I really think it's helpful for people in your position to be exposed to an alternative view. Yes, because I never before would have encountered people justifying the status quo by suggesting that racism and sexism don't exist or, if they do, are in fact optimum. Surely, there is nowhere else on the internet I might have been exposed to an "alternate" view. I'm sure nobody on HN has ever taken that position, let alone in response to me. Gosh, thank you for bringing something new into the world. > but it's not prudent to say politically incorrect things on an account linked to your real identity My, aren't you the brave one. As we see in the US elections your opinions are indeed politically correct for a notable portion of the American electorate. They have been politically correct for most of American history. What you're unwilling to do is to have a lot of people, the people you'd rather hang out with, think you an asshole. You lack the courage of your convictions. So instead of being openly pro-racism and pro-sexism, you'll do it quietly. Hoping, I presume, for the moment that the gang in white sheets get enough power that you can finally be "honest". If you want me to take you seriously, own your words. The internet and HN have a custom of offering a free hood dispenser to anybody wanting to comment. But that you only feel comfortable opining from under a white hood should tell you something. It certainly tells me something.
- moduspol 10y ago
  > I neither asked for nor wanted an Internet random to offer half-baked, unevidenced pro-racist, pro-sexist waffle, thanks. There's nothing pro-racist or pro-sexist about what I said, but that's the world we live in. Making an argument for hiring the best person for the job is called racist and sexist. This is the cause for anonymity--people like you demonize those you disagree with. > Yes, because I never before would have encountered people justifying the status quo by suggesting that racism and sexism don't exist or, if they do, are in fact optimum. Surely, there is nowhere else on the internet I might have been exposed to an "alternate" view. I'm sure nobody on HN has ever taken that position, let alone in response to me. Gosh, thank you for bringing something new into the world. Your frustrated response at someone who would have the audacity to challenge your view reinforce the claim that it doesn't happen enough. It's much easier to sit in an echo chamber where everyone pats themselves on the backs about how progressive they are and how racist and backward everyone else is, but it's hard to step back and examine things rationally when called out on it. But it's OK! You're under no obligation to respond to my (or anyone else's) comments. You can return to your safe space whenever you'd like. > My, aren't you the brave one. As we see in the US elections your opinions are indeed politically correct for a notable portion of the American electorate. They have been politically correct for most of American history. It's irrelevant. I don't want to limit my hiring options to people who agree with me politically. > What you're unwilling to do is to have a lot of people, the people you'd rather hang out with, think you an asshole. You lack the courage of your convictions. So instead of being openly pro-racism and pro-sexism, you'll do it quietly. Hoping, I presume, for the moment that the gang in white sheets get enough power that you can finally be "honest". No. I just don't want to be fired or miss out on a job opportunity because of political disagreements with the hiring team. I wouldn't endorse a political candidate on an account linked to my real identity, either. It's not prudent. > If you want me to take you seriously, own your words. The internet and HN have a custom of offering a free hood dispenser to anybody wanting to comment. But that you only feel comfortable opining from under a white hood should tell you something. It certainly tells me something. It should tell you that you and the people like you have been successful in demonizing anyone who disagrees with you. That's all.
  - wpietri 10y ago

wpietri 10y ago

> Your comment I responded to asked for a contrary assertion. No. No it did not. I asked oldmanjay if, having falsely criticized me for asserting things with evidence, he wanted to make a contrary assertion with evidence. This was a rhetorical device to draw an interlocutor out. I neither asked for nor wanted an Internet random to offer half-baked, unevidenced pro-racist, pro-sexist waffle, thanks. > I really think it's helpful for people in your position to be exposed to an alternative view. Yes, because I never before would have encountered people justifying the status quo by suggesting that racism and sexism don't exist or, if they do, are in fact optimum. Surely, there is nowhere else on the internet I might have been exposed to an "alternate" view. I'm sure nobody on HN has ever taken that position, let alone in response to me. Gosh, thank you for bringing something new into the world. > but it's not prudent to say politically incorrect things on an account linked to your real identity My, aren't you the brave one. As we see in the US elections your opinions are indeed politically correct for a notable portion of the American electorate. They have been politically correct for most of American history. What you're unwilling to do is to have a lot of people, the people you'd rather hang out with, think you an asshole. You lack the courage of your convictions. So instead of being openly pro-racism and pro-sexism, you'll do it quietly. Hoping, I presume, for the moment that the gang in white sheets get enough power that you can finally be "honest". If you want me to take you seriously, own your words. The internet and HN have a custom of offering a free hood dispenser to anybody wanting to comment. But that you only feel comfortable opining from under a white hood should tell you something. It certainly tells me something.

moduspol 10y ago
> I neither asked for nor wanted an Internet random to offer half-baked, unevidenced pro-racist, pro-sexist waffle, thanks. There's nothing pro-racist or pro-sexist about what I said, but that's the world we live in. Making an argument for hiring the best person for the job is called racist and sexist. This is the cause for anonymity--people like you demonize those you disagree with. > Yes, because I never before would have encountered people justifying the status quo by suggesting that racism and sexism don't exist or, if they do, are in fact optimum. Surely, there is nowhere else on the internet I might have been exposed to an "alternate" view. I'm sure nobody on HN has ever taken that position, let alone in response to me. Gosh, thank you for bringing something new into the world. Your frustrated response at someone who would have the audacity to challenge your view reinforce the claim that it doesn't happen enough. It's much easier to sit in an echo chamber where everyone pats themselves on the backs about how progressive they are and how racist and backward everyone else is, but it's hard to step back and examine things rationally when called out on it. But it's OK! You're under no obligation to respond to my (or anyone else's) comments. You can return to your safe space whenever you'd like. > My, aren't you the brave one. As we see in the US elections your opinions are indeed politically correct for a notable portion of the American electorate. They have been politically correct for most of American history. It's irrelevant. I don't want to limit my hiring options to people who agree with me politically. > What you're unwilling to do is to have a lot of people, the people you'd rather hang out with, think you an asshole. You lack the courage of your convictions. So instead of being openly pro-racism and pro-sexism, you'll do it quietly. Hoping, I presume, for the moment that the gang in white sheets get enough power that you can finally be "honest". No. I just don't want to be fired or miss out on a job opportunity because of political disagreements with the hiring team. I wouldn't endorse a political candidate on an account linked to my real identity, either. It's not prudent. > If you want me to take you seriously, own your words. The internet and HN have a custom of offering a free hood dispenser to anybody wanting to comment. But that you only feel comfortable opining from under a white hood should tell you something. It certainly tells me something. It should tell you that you and the people like you have been successful in demonizing anyone who disagrees with you. That's all.
- wpietri 10y ago