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That keyboard looks insanely unusable. Can we please just go back to the PowerBook G4 keyboards?

raw23 10y ago
This is also the main thing making me question the purchase
manyxcxi 10y ago
I don't mind the keyboard on my 2015 for shortish stretches, but do a lot of devs use their laptops directly, like actually in their laps, for most of the day? My laptop spends 99% of the week on a stand, with the lid closed, and hooked up to dual monitors and a real keyboard (and other various peripherals). That's really the biggest meh for me about the latest MBPs. The touch bar doesn't do much for me because my lid is mostly always closed. The keyboard doesn't really matter as long as it's useable for a couple of hours at a time. But the lack of ports is kind of a big loss for me. When I travel and need to show a slide deck or share my screen in general on a projector, having the built in HDMI port generally means I'm safe and dongle free. Inevitably whenever I need a dongle that I own, it's somewhere else- especially my damn Ethernet dongle. I also dabble, mostly at the hobby level, in micro electronics and I'm wondering what kind of random issues I'm going to have connecting to those over USB. I'm assuming a hub will prevent most issues, but I'm positive I'll spend a number of hours at some point because the C-A/B conversion goes awry in some way.
- aq3cn 10y ago
  I also work in same manner as you do, but I think you should keep your computer's lid open to keep it cool.
  - manyxcxi 10y ago
    It's on an mRain Stand [0], so all ports and vents are exposed fully and I've never detected any extra warmth from having the lid closed. I prefer the lid closed so OSX doesn't try to treat it like a third screen- my laptop gets docked to the left and pretty much behind my left hand side monitor, making it un-viewable. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Rain-Design-mStand-Laptop-Patented/dp/B000OOYECC https://www.amazon.com/Rain-Design-mStand-Laptop-Patented/dp...
- richie5um 10y ago
  This seems like the oddity of it. The keyboard is poor, but the touchbar is useless if you don't use the keyboard. The lack of (useful/mainstream) ports seems surely due to the desire to go thinner - looking at the old MacBook Pro, it was as thin as it could go for those port dimensions. Sigh.

raw23 10y ago

This is also the main thing making me question the purchase

I don't mind the keyboard on my 2015 for shortish stretches, but do a lot of devs use their laptops directly, like actually in their laps, for most of the day? My laptop spends 99% of the week on a stand, with the lid closed, and hooked up to dual monitors and a real keyboard (and other various peripherals). That's really the biggest meh for me about the latest MBPs. The touch bar doesn't do much for me because my lid is mostly always closed. The keyboard doesn't really matter as long as it's useable for a couple of hours at a time. But the lack of ports is kind of a big loss for me. When I travel and need to show a slide deck or share my screen in general on a projector, having the built in HDMI port generally means I'm safe and dongle free. Inevitably whenever I need a dongle that I own, it's somewhere else- especially my damn Ethernet dongle. I also dabble, mostly at the hobby level, in micro electronics and I'm wondering what kind of random issues I'm going to have connecting to those over USB. I'm assuming a hub will prevent most issues, but I'm positive I'll spend a number of hours at some point because the C-A/B conversion goes awry in some way.

aq3cn 10y ago
I also work in same manner as you do, but I think you should keep your computer's lid open to keep it cool.
- manyxcxi 10y ago
  It's on an mRain Stand [0], so all ports and vents are exposed fully and I've never detected any extra warmth from having the lid closed. I prefer the lid closed so OSX doesn't try to treat it like a third screen- my laptop gets docked to the left and pretty much behind my left hand side monitor, making it un-viewable. [0] https://www.amazon.com/Rain-Design-mStand-Laptop-Patented/dp/B000OOYECC https://www.amazon.com/Rain-Design-mStand-Laptop-Patented/dp...
richie5um 10y ago
This seems like the oddity of it. The keyboard is poor, but the touchbar is useless if you don't use the keyboard. The lack of (useful/mainstream) ports seems surely due to the desire to go thinner - looking at the old MacBook Pro, it was as thin as it could go for those port dimensions. Sigh.