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There are no "liberal" syrian rebels, the factions america along with Saudis are supporting are Sunni militias which are cousins if not brothers of AQ. You have

by sremani 10y ago

There are no "liberal" syrian rebels, the factions america along with Saudis are supporting are Sunni militias which are cousins if not brothers of AQ. You have divided interests of Kurds, Turks, Alawite regime + Russian, Sunni Militias + Saudi + USA, Iraqi Shia + Iran each having their varied interests. Assad wants ISIS to linger around since the focus would be on it rather than him, and he is focused on fighting the Sunni militias (freedom fighters according to US kind of like 80s afghanistan), Turks do not wants Kurds to be powerful and are interested in marginalizing them in Northern Syria. Kurds want to fight ISIS with help of US and score brownie points for Kurdistan. Sunni militias do not have much problem with ISIS want to fight the Alawite regime and make Syria Sunni Again ;). Iraqi Shia and Iran want to marginalize the Sunnis supporting ISIS. To say the least its a giant clusterfuck and US is willingly in bed with Al Qaeda ( wannabes like Al-Nusra front)

nickik 10y ago
The Kurds are not unified, and the Turks don't universally oppose them. The Syrian Kurds do not want to create a independent Kurdistan, while the Iraqi Kurds (KGP) do, and they are on good terms with the Turks. The US support of different groups has been overplayed. The US efforts were rather small and "in bed with AQ" is just spouting new headlines. The US tired to build a fraction, but failed, they have largely abandoned the effort.
- jwtadvice 10y ago
  > The Syrian Kurds do not want to create a independent Kurdistan "Kojave" Or do you mean a greater Kurdish State?
- finid 10y ago
  The US support of different groups has been overplayed. The US efforts were rather small and "in bed with AQ" is just spouting new headlines. The US tired to build a fraction, but failed, they have largely abandoned the effort. I hate when people write stuff like that! Thanks largely to Russian intervention, the US/Saudi/Qatar axis has, so far, failed to topple Assad. But no, they've not given up. Far from it. "Assad must go" is still official policy. Just remember that we have boots on the ground. Rebels (read: terrorists) are being pummeled in Aleppo, but we're still doing all we can to to support them. The real obstacle is Russian firepower. Without, it, Assad would have been history, and Syria in worse shape that it is right now.
  - nickik 10y ago
    > But no, they've not given up. I have not said that they have. My statement was specific about us training of "moderate rebels". The programs were done both by the CIA and DoD but both were not all that successful and policy focus has shifted. The US still does other things. Those are not the subject I was talking about. > we're still doing all we can to to support them Thats why I continue to read about all those nuclear attacks ...
jwtadvice 10y ago
> Assad wants ISIS to linger around since the focus would be on it rather than him, This is absolutely bullshit propaganda trying to tie Assad to ISIS. The Syrian Armed Forces have been the most effective fighting force against ISIS and it's creation has been infinitely problematic for it - from the capture of key oil fields, the capture of Hasaka and Der Zor (and key Air Force fields), to the ideological turn against the Shia/Baathist government based in Alawite territory. I don't know where you heard this, but you should carefully check that source. > Sunni militias (freedom fighters according to US kind of like 80s afghanistan) I don't know if you know how ironic that is... > Turks do not wants Kurds to be powerful and are interested in marginalizing them in Northern Syria Definitely. > Kurds want to fight ISIS with help of US and score brownie points for Kurdistan. Mostly they are just interested in obtaining autonomous Kurdish zones, like Kojave in Northern Syria. We have not gotten the Kurds to invade further South. Their involvement in Iraq has been similarly in land near Kurdish territory. > Sunni militias do not have much problem with ISIS want to fight the Alawite regime and make Syria Sunni Again More than that many have made core alliances with them, with the FSA rebuking the US labeling of ISIS a terrorist organization. > To say the least its a giant clusterfuck and US is willingly in bed with Al Qaeda ( wannabes like Al-Nusra front) Amen. Though Nusra is hardly a 'wannabe'...

by sremani 10y ago

nickik 10y ago

The Kurds are not unified, and the Turks don't universally oppose them. The Syrian Kurds do not want to create a independent Kurdistan, while the Iraqi Kurds (KGP) do, and they are on good terms with the Turks. The US support of different groups has been overplayed. The US efforts were rather small and "in bed with AQ" is just spouting new headlines. The US tired to build a fraction, but failed, they have largely abandoned the effort.

jwtadvice 10y ago
> The Syrian Kurds do not want to create a independent Kurdistan "Kojave" Or do you mean a greater Kurdish State?
finid 10y ago
The US support of different groups has been overplayed. The US efforts were rather small and "in bed with AQ" is just spouting new headlines. The US tired to build a fraction, but failed, they have largely abandoned the effort. I hate when people write stuff like that! Thanks largely to Russian intervention, the US/Saudi/Qatar axis has, so far, failed to topple Assad. But no, they've not given up. Far from it. "Assad must go" is still official policy. Just remember that we have boots on the ground. Rebels (read: terrorists) are being pummeled in Aleppo, but we're still doing all we can to to support them. The real obstacle is Russian firepower. Without, it, Assad would have been history, and Syria in worse shape that it is right now.
- nickik 10y ago
  > But no, they've not given up. I have not said that they have. My statement was specific about us training of "moderate rebels". The programs were done both by the CIA and DoD but both were not all that successful and policy focus has shifted. The US still does other things. Those are not the subject I was talking about. > we're still doing all we can to to support them Thats why I continue to read about all those nuclear attacks ...

jwtadvice 10y ago

> Assad wants ISIS to linger around since the focus would be on it rather than him, This is absolutely bullshit propaganda trying to tie Assad to ISIS. The Syrian Armed Forces have been the most effective fighting force against ISIS and it's creation has been infinitely problematic for it - from the capture of key oil fields, the capture of Hasaka and Der Zor (and key Air Force fields), to the ideological turn against the Shia/Baathist government based in Alawite territory. I don't know where you heard this, but you should carefully check that source. > Sunni militias (freedom fighters according to US kind of like 80s afghanistan) I don't know if you know how ironic that is... > Turks do not wants Kurds to be powerful and are interested in marginalizing them in Northern Syria Definitely. > Kurds want to fight ISIS with help of US and score brownie points for Kurdistan. Mostly they are just interested in obtaining autonomous Kurdish zones, like Kojave in Northern Syria. We have not gotten the Kurds to invade further South. Their involvement in Iraq has been similarly in land near Kurdish territory. > Sunni militias do not have much problem with ISIS want to fight the Alawite regime and make Syria Sunni Again More than that many have made core alliances with them, with the FSA rebuking the US labeling of ISIS a terrorist organization. > To say the least its a giant clusterfuck and US is willingly in bed with Al Qaeda ( wannabes like Al-Nusra front) Amen. Though Nusra is hardly a 'wannabe'...