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> Thus the tobacco companies are happy to lobby against e-cigarettes I saw this on Reddit a while back, someone pointed out that "we get it, you vape" was prob

by zamalek 10y ago

> Thus the tobacco companies are happy to lobby against e-cigarettes I saw this on Reddit a while back, someone pointed out that "we get it, you vape" was probably introduced by tobacco companies to create a stigma around the practice. I'm a quitting smoker, on vape (RBA) and it bloody works. If only there were such great tools for quitting other addictions.

ryuker16 10y ago
I remember that thread. I think someone mentioned big tobacco realizes the future is vape but wants to kill thier current ecig market competitors via the law. It's a race to the bottom with Chinese ecig vendors unless the law bans them or greatly reduces their ability to sell in the USA.... Assuming It's truly harmless, they don't have to worry about being taxed/sued like crazy or severe advertising restrictions anymore... Ecigs are a no Brainer for any tobacco exec.
paulmd 10y ago
In my experience the stereotype exists for a reason. Let's take Grover Norquist as an example. The man is a dedicated crusader who hasn't stopped pounding the tax-reform drum for 20 years. Know what he thinks will decide the next election? Know what he was tweeting about during the debates? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/grover-norquist-2016-vaping_us_56ba5477e4b08ffac123075c http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/grover-norquist-2016-vap... https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/785299905464111104 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/785299905464111104 No, seriously: we get it, you vape.
- zamalek 10y ago
  I have no bearing on the "hardcore" vaping community. It's a tool, I am using it to quit. If vaping was outlawed due to legislation I'm worried I'd have to rely on will alone (which has so far failed me). Irrespective of practice or belief, there are people who take things too far. The words of one nut are not representative of the entire community. "We get it, you vape" is a logical fallacy. Why? It is so trivial to draw a corollary from that incredibly naive statement: you are implicitly voicing support for people acquiring cancer - althought I certainly don't believe that is what you meant to say. This falls under the logical fallacy of "black and white." Things are not so simple, especially so far as the behavior of one vocal minority is concerned. By pure autonomous volition, I vape away from other people (generally in the company of other smokers in the allocated areas) because I know that the vapor generally clings to skin. It makes you clammy in warm weather. It's not sociable. So you're going to throw someone who is trying their level best to use this quitting aid in a respectable manner into the same bag as Norquist? 150 mutations per year in my lungs[1] x 7 years of smoking = 1050 mutations. I hope to God that I stopped soon enough. I'm so fortunate to have such an easy route out - it's not 1200 or 1350 mutations. The inability to downvote responses on HN forces me to contemplate a correct response. This is the extremely rare occasion, maybe the first, that I wish it was possible. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12870712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12870712
  - paulmd 10y ago
    I agree that vaping should be at least as legal as cigarettes if not more so. It's unquestionably safer and nicotine consumed in this fashion is very low-risk overall, probably no moreso than commonly prescribed stimulants, khat, or even caffeine. However, it's stupid to claim that the stereotype came out of nowhere, or was a conspiracy from the tobacco industry. People who vape are typically at least as vocal and outspoken about it as stoners (note: marijuana should also be legal). It's pretty natural for it to be the butt of jokes. The same thing really applies to the vape community. They are outspoken if not militant (and I don't disagree that's a good thing given the recent steps against it). I agree that it should be legal, go ahead and start a petition and I'll sign it. But holy shit it doesn't make you special, it's a personal decision/affectation/vice and nobody actually cares. I don't go around telling people about my stimulant consumption, and I certainly don't go around pretending it will decide the this election. With apologies to vegans: Q: "How do you know if someone vapes?" A: "Don't worry. They'll tell you."
- EdHominem 10y ago
  > In my experience the stereotype exists for a reason. Oh noes - someone who cares more about something than I do. Time to belittle them to justify my apathy. /s > No, seriously: we get it, you vape. These are people who've essentially beat cancer. But we get it, you'd rather mock sick people.

by zamalek 10y ago

ryuker16 10y ago

I remember that thread. I think someone mentioned big tobacco realizes the future is vape but wants to kill thier current ecig market competitors via the law. It's a race to the bottom with Chinese ecig vendors unless the law bans them or greatly reduces their ability to sell in the USA.... Assuming It's truly harmless, they don't have to worry about being taxed/sued like crazy or severe advertising restrictions anymore... Ecigs are a no Brainer for any tobacco exec.

paulmd 10y ago

In my experience the stereotype exists for a reason. Let's take Grover Norquist as an example. The man is a dedicated crusader who hasn't stopped pounding the tax-reform drum for 20 years. Know what he thinks will decide the next election? Know what he was tweeting about during the debates? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/grover-norquist-2016-vaping_us_56ba5477e4b08ffac123075c http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/grover-norquist-2016-vap... https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/780604428751630336 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/785299905464111104 https://twitter.com/grovernorquist/status/785299905464111104 No, seriously: we get it, you vape.

zamalek 10y ago
I have no bearing on the "hardcore" vaping community. It's a tool, I am using it to quit. If vaping was outlawed due to legislation I'm worried I'd have to rely on will alone (which has so far failed me). Irrespective of practice or belief, there are people who take things too far. The words of one nut are not representative of the entire community. "We get it, you vape" is a logical fallacy. Why? It is so trivial to draw a corollary from that incredibly naive statement: you are implicitly voicing support for people acquiring cancer - althought I certainly don't believe that is what you meant to say. This falls under the logical fallacy of "black and white." Things are not so simple, especially so far as the behavior of one vocal minority is concerned. By pure autonomous volition, I vape away from other people (generally in the company of other smokers in the allocated areas) because I know that the vapor generally clings to skin. It makes you clammy in warm weather. It's not sociable. So you're going to throw someone who is trying their level best to use this quitting aid in a respectable manner into the same bag as Norquist? 150 mutations per year in my lungs[1] x 7 years of smoking = 1050 mutations. I hope to God that I stopped soon enough. I'm so fortunate to have such an easy route out - it's not 1200 or 1350 mutations. The inability to downvote responses on HN forces me to contemplate a correct response. This is the extremely rare occasion, maybe the first, that I wish it was possible. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12870712 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12870712
- paulmd 10y ago
  I agree that vaping should be at least as legal as cigarettes if not more so. It's unquestionably safer and nicotine consumed in this fashion is very low-risk overall, probably no moreso than commonly prescribed stimulants, khat, or even caffeine. However, it's stupid to claim that the stereotype came out of nowhere, or was a conspiracy from the tobacco industry. People who vape are typically at least as vocal and outspoken about it as stoners (note: marijuana should also be legal). It's pretty natural for it to be the butt of jokes. The same thing really applies to the vape community. They are outspoken if not militant (and I don't disagree that's a good thing given the recent steps against it). I agree that it should be legal, go ahead and start a petition and I'll sign it. But holy shit it doesn't make you special, it's a personal decision/affectation/vice and nobody actually cares. I don't go around telling people about my stimulant consumption, and I certainly don't go around pretending it will decide the this election. With apologies to vegans: Q: "How do you know if someone vapes?" A: "Don't worry. They'll tell you."
EdHominem 10y ago
> In my experience the stereotype exists for a reason. Oh noes - someone who cares more about something than I do. Time to belittle them to justify my apathy. /s > No, seriously: we get it, you vape. These are people who've essentially beat cancer. But we get it, you'd rather mock sick people.