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Isn't it a well known fact for everyone by now that leaving the EU would have dire consequences to England? Losing the shared market access, researchers not bei

by Zelmor 10y ago

Isn't it a well known fact for everyone by now that leaving the EU would have dire consequences to England? Losing the shared market access, researchers not being allowed into shared EU projects, the European Stock Exchange moving from London OR London leaving the UK, Scotland leaving the UK, maybe even N. Ireland leaving as well to unify the island (erin go bragh by the way!). How would it be in the interest for anyone to go on chasing this rabid dog that is Brexit?

dig1 10y ago
I believe many voters didn't see other side of the coin. Mass media bragging about independence, market and money control did pretty decent brainwashing for mass population.
antocv 10y ago
Someone should send a memo Bashar al Assad that "dire consequences" are a valid reason to postpone democracy. In fact, democracy seems to be reserved only for use by western NATO powers, even when not respecting a democratic vote, while imposing democracy "with dire consequences" on the rest of the world.
- thesimon 10y ago
  >even when not respecting a democratic vote The "Brexit" vote was nothing more than an opinion poll. There is no direct democracy in the UK.
  - antocv 10y ago
    Indeed. al Assads next interview "Sure, I did not win the vote, but this is not a direct democracy, the presidential ballot is mere a poll". Direct democracy for export to some (exclude Saudi), power for others. All this Brexit event just highlights the hypocrisy when calling Russian political system names and criticizing it for lack of democracy and other positive terms-on-paper.
    - M2Ys4U 10y ago
      Explicitly advisory referendums are different to elections.
_delirium 10y ago
While I think it will overall be bad for the UK, on the specific point of researchers in shared EU projects, that is a bit less tied to EU membership. The EU research programme doesn't require EU membership to join, or even quasi-membership of the EFTA/EEA variety. In fact Turkey recently joined it (in 2014). It does still require mutual agreement that may or may not happen, but I think a specific "a la carte" agreement on a programme like this one is less thorny than most other questions, since it isn't really tied with anything else (like common markets or immigration or anything else), except for agreeing to pay the membership dues.
- roel_v 10y ago
  UK partners are already being left out. I predict a generation of uk phd's that will just not exist - between now and when the whole thing is sorted out, funded and implemented - 3-4 years easily.
- Zelmor 10y ago
  Factually wrong, it is already happening. It is tied to funding for these projects. Project management are afraid of losing key research members when the funding doesn't come through from the UK. So they exclude UK researchers altogether until things biol over. Problem is, these researches could be years/decades long, and joining in the middle of it is way harder than during planning phase. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/uk-scientists-dropped-from-eu-projects-because-of-post-brexit-funding-fears https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/uk-scienti...
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by Zelmor 10y ago

dig1 10y ago

I believe many voters didn't see other side of the coin. Mass media bragging about independence, market and money control did pretty decent brainwashing for mass population.

antocv 10y ago

Someone should send a memo Bashar al Assad that "dire consequences" are a valid reason to postpone democracy. In fact, democracy seems to be reserved only for use by western NATO powers, even when not respecting a democratic vote, while imposing democracy "with dire consequences" on the rest of the world.

thesimon 10y ago
>even when not respecting a democratic vote The "Brexit" vote was nothing more than an opinion poll. There is no direct democracy in the UK.
- antocv 10y ago
  Indeed. al Assads next interview "Sure, I did not win the vote, but this is not a direct democracy, the presidential ballot is mere a poll". Direct democracy for export to some (exclude Saudi), power for others. All this Brexit event just highlights the hypocrisy when calling Russian political system names and criticizing it for lack of democracy and other positive terms-on-paper.
  - M2Ys4U 10y ago
    Explicitly advisory referendums are different to elections.

_delirium 10y ago

While I think it will overall be bad for the UK, on the specific point of researchers in shared EU projects, that is a bit less tied to EU membership. The EU research programme doesn't require EU membership to join, or even quasi-membership of the EFTA/EEA variety. In fact Turkey recently joined it (in 2014). It does still require mutual agreement that may or may not happen, but I think a specific "a la carte" agreement on a programme like this one is less thorny than most other questions, since it isn't really tied with anything else (like common markets or immigration or anything else), except for agreeing to pay the membership dues.

roel_v 10y ago
UK partners are already being left out. I predict a generation of uk phd's that will just not exist - between now and when the whole thing is sorted out, funded and implemented - 3-4 years easily.
Zelmor 10y ago
Factually wrong, it is already happening. It is tied to funding for these projects. Project management are afraid of losing key research members when the funding doesn't come through from the UK. So they exclude UK researchers altogether until things biol over. Problem is, these researches could be years/decades long, and joining in the middle of it is way harder than during planning phase. https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/uk-scientists-dropped-from-eu-projects-because-of-post-brexit-funding-fears https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/jul/12/uk-scienti...
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