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Ultimately a clear majority of the UK population is in favor of leave. This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be tru

by jbb555 10y ago

Ultimately a clear majority of the UK population is in favor of leave. This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be true. Much of the remain support is concentrated in a handful of London consistences meaning that almost all english MPs have a significant majority of leave supporters. They have to vote for that or they won't be selected in a future election. In any case. If the government doesn't follow the will of the people, then the 18 million people who votes leave will ensure that we have a new government one way or another.

alphadevx 10y ago
> This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be true. Just curious as an outsider, what lies are those?
- KaiserPro 10y ago
  The main rallying cry was: o there are no down sides to leaving o Leaving would give us 350 million pounds extra a week to improve healthcare o We would have a strong currency o The world would fall over it's self to give "free trade deals" to the UK o UK tourists would be able to go to the EU without a visa o No businesses would leave the UK to avoid trade tarrifs/customs hops o The UK wouldn't loose service "passport rights" that allow banks, IT companies and service providers to provide services to the continent without extra taxes or hurdles o that more good and secure jobs would be created, and globalisation would be rolled back
  - matthewking 10y ago
    These are all lies told by the leave campaign, not the remain campaign?
    - KaiserPro 10y ago
      The Leave side. The Remain camp had "project fear" which basically translated the top end of the economic consensus into tabloid.
  - radarsat1 10y ago
    There hasn't been enough time yet (and brexit hasn't even actually happened yet) to prove or reject a single one of those points.
    - KaiserPro 10y ago
      Yup, on most points you are indeed correct. However the 350million is almost certainly not going to happen. Mainly because even if we managed to not pay a single pound more to the EU (thats a big if) that budget would be needed for farming subsidies, science, grants and weird legislature functions currently provided by the EU I'd also wager that globalisation is not going to be rolled back, especially looking at the three pricks "running" the negotiations
      - M2Ys4U 10y ago
        That figure was a complete and total lie, it's beyond certain that money isn't real.
- Nursie 10y ago
  The main ones were "I will trigger Article 50 the very next day" from David Cameron and George Osborne's threatened "punishment budget" where he tried to directly threaten the public into compliance by basically telling them he was going to take all their money. There were also an awful lot of predictions of total, immediate economic armageddon. Up to and including telling us that the very fact we were having a vote was harming the economy massively.
- zigzigzag 10y ago
  Cameron said he'd stay on as PM regardless of the outcome of the vote. Cameron said he was on the fence and he'd choose how to campaign based on the results of his renegotiation. During campaigning he told the nation it'd be morally wrong to leave the EU, so obviously that was a lie. Even 4 days before the vote, Cameron was saying the UK could stay in a reformed EU, despite Juncker saying simultaneously that there were no further concessions on offer and despite the Remain campaign choosing not to mention Cameron's "renegotiation" because it had achieved so little. Osborne: Brexit will make every household exactly £4300 worse off. This figure was quickly dropped by the campaign because it was based on garbage calculations and focus groups showed nobody believed it (too high, too specific, inability to explain where it came from). Moreover it came from the Treasury which Osborne himself had slated as being unfixably politically biased when he first came to government. Osborne: punishment budget, despite that he must have known that his best mate and political protector Cameron would quit rather than "do the hard shit", as he put it. Turkey will never join the EU, despite the government's official position being that Turkey should join the EU. The business uncertainty caused by an out vote will wreck the economy. Reality: all economic indicators not directly controlled by Mark Carney (i.e. devaluation of the currency) are doing fine. There is no chance of an EU army. In reality an EU army was the very first thing the EU discussed after the Brexit vote. etc etc etc. There were just tons of statements already proven to be lies thrown around by the pro EU camp, mostly coming from top politicians like the PM and Chancellor. The absolute blindness of EU supporters to this fact is remarkable.
danielsamuels 10y ago
> Ultimately a clear majority of the UK population is in favor of leave. This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be true. I would argue that the opposite is true.
- Nursie 10y ago
  It's funny how both sides insist that, as the last few months have proven them right, attitudes have obviously changed to favour their side.
dasboth 10y ago
> This has increased since the vote Source? Not being facetious, genuinely interested if there's evidence of this.
JamesLefrere 10y ago
£350 million a week. GBP/USD hitting record lows. Which side was lying, again?
zerochances 10y ago
This is simply not true. Where have you got these ideas from?
matthewking 10y ago
6% of leave voters have changed their mind, compared to just 1% of remain voters: http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-resources/brexit-britain-british-election-study-insights-from-the-post-eu-referendum-wave-of-the-bes-internet-panel/#.WBsmQHecZyo http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-resources/brexit-bri...
bb611 10y ago
Leave definitely won the vote, but it appears opinions have shifted fairly dramatically to the point where remain would likely win today: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c... The problem is that the leave campaign won by lying and playing on people's fears, and when UK voters had a chance to reflect it turns out that was a stupid choice.

by jbb555 10y ago

alphadevx 10y ago

> This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be true. Just curious as an outsider, what lies are those?

KaiserPro 10y ago
The main rallying cry was: o there are no down sides to leaving o Leaving would give us 350 million pounds extra a week to improve healthcare o We would have a strong currency o The world would fall over it's self to give "free trade deals" to the UK o UK tourists would be able to go to the EU without a visa o No businesses would leave the UK to avoid trade tarrifs/customs hops o The UK wouldn't loose service "passport rights" that allow banks, IT companies and service providers to provide services to the continent without extra taxes or hurdles o that more good and secure jobs would be created, and globalisation would be rolled back
- matthewking 10y ago
  These are all lies told by the leave campaign, not the remain campaign?
  - KaiserPro 10y ago
    The Leave side. The Remain camp had "project fear" which basically translated the top end of the economic consensus into tabloid.
- radarsat1 10y ago
  There hasn't been enough time yet (and brexit hasn't even actually happened yet) to prove or reject a single one of those points.
  - KaiserPro 10y ago
    Yup, on most points you are indeed correct. However the 350million is almost certainly not going to happen. Mainly because even if we managed to not pay a single pound more to the EU (thats a big if) that budget would be needed for farming subsidies, science, grants and weird legislature functions currently provided by the EU I'd also wager that globalisation is not going to be rolled back, especially looking at the three pricks "running" the negotiations
    - M2Ys4U 10y ago
      That figure was a complete and total lie, it's beyond certain that money isn't real.
Nursie 10y ago
The main ones were "I will trigger Article 50 the very next day" from David Cameron and George Osborne's threatened "punishment budget" where he tried to directly threaten the public into compliance by basically telling them he was going to take all their money. There were also an awful lot of predictions of total, immediate economic armageddon. Up to and including telling us that the very fact we were having a vote was harming the economy massively.
zigzigzag 10y ago
Cameron said he'd stay on as PM regardless of the outcome of the vote. Cameron said he was on the fence and he'd choose how to campaign based on the results of his renegotiation. During campaigning he told the nation it'd be morally wrong to leave the EU, so obviously that was a lie. Even 4 days before the vote, Cameron was saying the UK could stay in a reformed EU, despite Juncker saying simultaneously that there were no further concessions on offer and despite the Remain campaign choosing not to mention Cameron's "renegotiation" because it had achieved so little. Osborne: Brexit will make every household exactly £4300 worse off. This figure was quickly dropped by the campaign because it was based on garbage calculations and focus groups showed nobody believed it (too high, too specific, inability to explain where it came from). Moreover it came from the Treasury which Osborne himself had slated as being unfixably politically biased when he first came to government. Osborne: punishment budget, despite that he must have known that his best mate and political protector Cameron would quit rather than "do the hard shit", as he put it. Turkey will never join the EU, despite the government's official position being that Turkey should join the EU. The business uncertainty caused by an out vote will wreck the economy. Reality: all economic indicators not directly controlled by Mark Carney (i.e. devaluation of the currency) are doing fine. There is no chance of an EU army. In reality an EU army was the very first thing the EU discussed after the Brexit vote. etc etc etc. There were just tons of statements already proven to be lies thrown around by the pro EU camp, mostly coming from top politicians like the PM and Chancellor. The absolute blindness of EU supporters to this fact is remarkable.

danielsamuels 10y ago

> Ultimately a clear majority of the UK population is in favor of leave. This has increased since the vote as the lies of the remain campaign proved not to be true. I would argue that the opposite is true.

Nursie 10y ago
It's funny how both sides insist that, as the last few months have proven them right, attitudes have obviously changed to favour their side.

dasboth 10y ago

> This has increased since the vote Source? Not being facetious, genuinely interested if there's evidence of this.

JamesLefrere 10y ago

£350 million a week. GBP/USD hitting record lows. Which side was lying, again?

zerochances 10y ago

This is simply not true. Where have you got these ideas from?

matthewking 10y ago

6% of leave voters have changed their mind, compared to just 1% of remain voters: http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-resources/brexit-britain-british-election-study-insights-from-the-post-eu-referendum-wave-of-the-bes-internet-panel/#.WBsmQHecZyo http://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-resources/brexit-bri...

bb611 10y ago

Leave definitely won the vote, but it appears opinions have shifted fairly dramatically to the point where remain would likely win today: http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-c... The problem is that the leave campaign won by lying and playing on people's fears, and when UK voters had a chance to reflect it turns out that was a stupid choice.