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Maybe actual apprenticeships are the answer. 3-6 months to get someone trained up, and a lot of their pay would be in /training/ them (you'd still pay at least

by mjevans 10y ago

Maybe actual apprenticeships are the answer. 3-6 months to get someone trained up, and a lot of their pay would be in /training/ them (you'd still pay at least a living wage for the area, but you might upfront plan and disclose to relocate them if hired). The benefit would be both in seeing if they're a good fit, and also enriching that employee as an employee. Both sides would have a much better perspective of if it's a good fit, if they want to restart the process with a different team, or if the employee can find better value in society elsewhere.

kagamine 10y ago
When you think about it, college degrees in IT/CS are the wrong way to go about IT/CS learning. A 3 year apprenticeship like an electrician or plumber does would make a lot more sense. 60% of your time is spent at work, shadowing and helping an experienced professional who can show you the ropes and explain concepts in the real world. Remaining time spent in the classroom doing theory and learning new stuff. My degree attempted something like this, with a lot of guest companies providing projects that amounted to coursework. For example, one coursework was to make a front and back end in asp.net with a predefined set of features for a company. The problem with apprenticeships is that educators are handing over a large part of your training to a company with unknown factors, like mental people with random hangups. Still, I'm sure many of us when we got our first job felt hopelessly unprepared for working in a real company.
wyclif 10y ago
My experience, when I ask decision-makers about training, is that there's a lot of resistance to the idea because of fear of poaching.
- wccrawford 10y ago
  There's fear of poaching because the tech industry is so incredibly bad at giving raises. People are forced to change jobs to get what they're worth after just a few years. Some companies are smarter than this, but most are not, from what I've seen. So yeah, they're going to worry about poaching because they know they aren't doing what's really needed to keep people.

by mjevans 10y ago

kagamine 10y ago

When you think about it, college degrees in IT/CS are the wrong way to go about IT/CS learning. A 3 year apprenticeship like an electrician or plumber does would make a lot more sense. 60% of your time is spent at work, shadowing and helping an experienced professional who can show you the ropes and explain concepts in the real world. Remaining time spent in the classroom doing theory and learning new stuff. My degree attempted something like this, with a lot of guest companies providing projects that amounted to coursework. For example, one coursework was to make a front and back end in asp.net with a predefined set of features for a company. The problem with apprenticeships is that educators are handing over a large part of your training to a company with unknown factors, like mental people with random hangups. Still, I'm sure many of us when we got our first job felt hopelessly unprepared for working in a real company.

wyclif 10y ago

My experience, when I ask decision-makers about training, is that there's a lot of resistance to the idea because of fear of poaching.

wccrawford 10y ago
There's fear of poaching because the tech industry is so incredibly bad at giving raises. People are forced to change jobs to get what they're worth after just a few years. Some companies are smarter than this, but most are not, from what I've seen. So yeah, they're going to worry about poaching because they know they aren't doing what's really needed to keep people.