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But this can be literally true for anyone. I tried re-reading it again and again and I am not seeing the distinction. Different people have different reactions

But this can be literally true for anyone. I tried re-reading it again and again and I am not seeing the distinction. Different people have different reactions to things. In other fields, it's not uncommon for people to submit resumes to 10, 15, even 20 firms and go through 5 to 10 interviews before landing their first "real" job. I think we forget how good we have it in tech relative to the rest of the economy. It's either that, or work for shit wages and awful benefits. But we don't hear about the diversity problem for a position like, an "analyst" for example. This lends me to believe it really is a pipeline issue.

burkaman 10y ago
Can you think of a different explanation for why women quit so much earlier than men?
- treehau5 10y ago
  See my edit, I said I think I agree with the premise the author was trying to rebute -- maybe it actually is a pipeline issue. (Side note, I don't think this article is specifically about women, but underrepresented groups in general: women, african americans, hispanics)
wpietri 10y ago
> But this can be literally true for anyone. It can be, but marginalized people are much more often given signals that they don't belong, that they're not as good. They also tend to have less to fall back on when breaks don't go their way because of historical and current marginalization.
jdmichal 10y ago
I'm trying to find a previous discussion on this that had some numbers, but the same "early quitting" pattern is seen at the university level. Women go into STEM, do badly in a class, then change majors. So yes, there's definitely a pipeline issue, but that issue is the same root cause. Sounds like we need a root-cause analysis to find and fix the underlying issue. EDIT: Can't find the previous discussion I'm looking for, but Wikipedia has a pretty good section with hard numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields#Leaky_pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields#Leaky_pip...
vonmoltke 10y ago
People in other fields do not go through this while simultaneously being told how their is a critical shortage of people with their skills. The disconnect is probably very off-putting to people of certain persknalities. Personalities which happen to be over-represented in certain minority groups.

burkaman 10y ago

Can you think of a different explanation for why women quit so much earlier than men?

treehau5 10y ago
See my edit, I said I think I agree with the premise the author was trying to rebute -- maybe it actually is a pipeline issue. (Side note, I don't think this article is specifically about women, but underrepresented groups in general: women, african americans, hispanics)

wpietri 10y ago

> But this can be literally true for anyone. It can be, but marginalized people are much more often given signals that they don't belong, that they're not as good. They also tend to have less to fall back on when breaks don't go their way because of historical and current marginalization.

jdmichal 10y ago

I'm trying to find a previous discussion on this that had some numbers, but the same "early quitting" pattern is seen at the university level. Women go into STEM, do badly in a class, then change majors. So yes, there's definitely a pipeline issue, but that issue is the same root cause. Sounds like we need a root-cause analysis to find and fix the underlying issue. EDIT: Can't find the previous discussion I'm looking for, but Wikipedia has a pretty good section with hard numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields#Leaky_pipeline https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_STEM_fields#Leaky_pip...

vonmoltke 10y ago

People in other fields do not go through this while simultaneously being told how their is a critical shortage of people with their skills. The disconnect is probably very off-putting to people of certain persknalities. Personalities which happen to be over-represented in certain minority groups.