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Nokia went under, and the world outside of tech cares more about the shiny than the capabilities.

ptaipale 10y ago
Actually, Nokia - under Elop's leadership - decided to go to Windows Phone platform for mobile phones, and discontinue Maemo. That WP thing didn't go so well. However Nokia as a company did not go under; it is still very much there, particularly in telecom infra business.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  It seems that very few people these days knows that all the big name European mobile brands (Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens) were also big name infrastructure brands. And that two of them still operate (Ericsson and Nokia, the latter having bought Siemens infrastructure division).
  - throwaway2048 10y ago
    As was Motorola in the USA
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      Touche.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Some here used to work for that unit. :)
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Really? That explains a lot about you: although mostly your preference for strong typing. Working for a phone company will do that for you.
      - pjmlp 10y ago
        Yep. No, what explains that is that I used C for the first time in 1993, yet I was already coding since 1986. So I was doing systems like level programming in Timex Basic, Turbo Basic, Turbo Pascal, Z80 and 80x86 on those in between years. Also had friends using 68000, AMOS and GFA Basic on their Amigas. Also I majored in systems level programming, with emphasis in compilers, which meant I have spent quite some time researching old programming environments, and still do. Better than reading newspapers sometimes. So I learned that were better ways to do systems programming without having the compromises of C.
  - yaantc 10y ago
    Nokia is the pacman of infra vendors: they acquired Siemens, then Motorola Networks (the infra part). Then recently they acquired ALU. ALU itself is the result of the acquisition by Alcatel of Lucent. And when Nortel went bankrupt, Alcatel also acquired part of the assets and employees. Sooo, lots of infrastructure vendors ended up in today Nokia. Maybe I even missed some ;)
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      Indeed; what remains of the old big infra vendors is now in Ericsson and Nokia. Then there are the Chinese ones: Huawei and ZTE. Probably others. But particularly Huawei is growing very fast in many markets - the Chinese government is basically giving the money away, so it's hard for others to make a profit, and Huawei takes market share. If you call it a "market" after such subsidies. Some customers, particularly very many in the USA, are not so happy to have Huawei or ZTE core switches etc, but in emerging markets they are less worried about Chinese intelligence infiltrating them, and also in Europe there seems to be less protectionism and concerns about national security. So the Chinese are catching the global market, without the Americans noticing much.

Actually, Nokia - under Elop's leadership - decided to go to Windows Phone platform for mobile phones, and discontinue Maemo. That WP thing didn't go so well. However Nokia as a company did not go under; it is still very much there, particularly in telecom infra business.

digi_owl 10y ago
It seems that very few people these days knows that all the big name European mobile brands (Ericsson, Nokia, Siemens) were also big name infrastructure brands. And that two of them still operate (Ericsson and Nokia, the latter having bought Siemens infrastructure division).
- throwaway2048 10y ago
  As was Motorola in the USA
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Touche.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Some here used to work for that unit. :)
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Really? That explains a lot about you: although mostly your preference for strong typing. Working for a phone company will do that for you.
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      Yep. No, what explains that is that I used C for the first time in 1993, yet I was already coding since 1986. So I was doing systems like level programming in Timex Basic, Turbo Basic, Turbo Pascal, Z80 and 80x86 on those in between years. Also had friends using 68000, AMOS and GFA Basic on their Amigas. Also I majored in systems level programming, with emphasis in compilers, which meant I have spent quite some time researching old programming environments, and still do. Better than reading newspapers sometimes. So I learned that were better ways to do systems programming without having the compromises of C.
- yaantc 10y ago
  Nokia is the pacman of infra vendors: they acquired Siemens, then Motorola Networks (the infra part). Then recently they acquired ALU. ALU itself is the result of the acquisition by Alcatel of Lucent. And when Nortel went bankrupt, Alcatel also acquired part of the assets and employees. Sooo, lots of infrastructure vendors ended up in today Nokia. Maybe I even missed some ;)
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    Indeed; what remains of the old big infra vendors is now in Ericsson and Nokia. Then there are the Chinese ones: Huawei and ZTE. Probably others. But particularly Huawei is growing very fast in many markets - the Chinese government is basically giving the money away, so it's hard for others to make a profit, and Huawei takes market share. If you call it a "market" after such subsidies. Some customers, particularly very many in the USA, are not so happy to have Huawei or ZTE core switches etc, but in emerging markets they are less worried about Chinese intelligence infiltrating them, and also in Europe there seems to be less protectionism and concerns about national security. So the Chinese are catching the global market, without the Americans noticing much.