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> I don’t see the value you could get from an Air in 2012 or 2013 anywhere on that list. This sums it up for me. Apple simply doesn't have any product in their

> I don’t see the value you could get from an Air in 2012 or 2013 anywhere on that list. This sums it up for me. Apple simply doesn't have any product in their Macbook line that I consider to deliver even remotely acceptable value for money right now. It's unfortunate.

falcolas 10y ago
I'm pretty sure they expect former air consumers to migrate to the iPad pro instead. Sure, it's less capable, but Apple seems to believe the iPad is good enough for those not creating professional programs, movies or images.
- brandon272 10y ago
  Perhaps they do, but I don't know why anyone would. They are fundamentally different computing experiences and iOS introduces so many limitations when you want to use it as a daily computing device that I'm not sure what demographic it is best for when you are looking at an iPad Pro vs. a MacBook or MacBook Air.
- monkmartinez 10y ago
  The iPad Pro is NOT a pro-level device. Turns out, that oversized iPhone apps are not that great. Look at the latest numbers of iPad sales[1]. Everyone that wants one already has one. Everybody else give zero-shits about the iPad. [1]https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/26/iphone-ipad-and-mac-sales-are-down-but-apple-only-cares-about-services-now/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/26/iphone-ipad-and-mac-sales-...
  - falcolas 10y ago
    > The iPad Pro is NOT a pro-level device. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that Apple thinks it is a replacement for the Mac Air line of laptops. I give you The Horse's Mouth (Tim Cook): In my view the tablet and the PC are different. You can do things with the tablet if you are not encumbered by the legacy of the PC. We think the iPad is the poster-child of the post-PC world. I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one? Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people.
  - StillBored 10y ago
    Its interresting, apple was slow to catch on with the larger phones market. So I guess they decided that a bigger ipad was the way to go, even though the market seems to be going in the other direction for tablets. I myself find the 7-8" form factor preferable for reading in bed/watching movies/etc over the larger tablets. Its lighter, yet the buttons are large enough to still be fairly usable. I've sorta stopped questioning every strange thing apple does, but the larger tablets don't really appear to be catching on...
  - cableshaft 10y ago
    I would like to update my iPad Mini 1 since it seems like it should be so ancient now (it's had 3 iterations since then), but dammit if the thing still doesn't just work fine. Yeah, it feels a little slow for some things now (especially browsing the internet, can't seem to keep more than one or two tabs in memory), but it's still super solid and gets the job done, and even still works with the vast majority of apps and games. I might have to soon to be able to iOS dev with the newest XCode, but that's the only reason I have. I've owned that thing for almost 4 years now. It's probably the most solid piece of hardware I've ever owned.

falcolas 10y ago

I'm pretty sure they expect former air consumers to migrate to the iPad pro instead. Sure, it's less capable, but Apple seems to believe the iPad is good enough for those not creating professional programs, movies or images.

brandon272 10y ago
Perhaps they do, but I don't know why anyone would. They are fundamentally different computing experiences and iOS introduces so many limitations when you want to use it as a daily computing device that I'm not sure what demographic it is best for when you are looking at an iPad Pro vs. a MacBook or MacBook Air.
monkmartinez 10y ago
The iPad Pro is NOT a pro-level device. Turns out, that oversized iPhone apps are not that great. Look at the latest numbers of iPad sales[1]. Everyone that wants one already has one. Everybody else give zero-shits about the iPad. [1]https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/26/iphone-ipad-and-mac-sales-are-down-but-apple-only-cares-about-services-now/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/07/26/iphone-ipad-and-mac-sales-...
- falcolas 10y ago
  > The iPad Pro is NOT a pro-level device. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying that Apple thinks it is a replacement for the Mac Air line of laptops. I give you The Horse's Mouth (Tim Cook): In my view the tablet and the PC are different. You can do things with the tablet if you are not encumbered by the legacy of the PC. We think the iPad is the poster-child of the post-PC world. I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one? Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people.
- StillBored 10y ago
  Its interresting, apple was slow to catch on with the larger phones market. So I guess they decided that a bigger ipad was the way to go, even though the market seems to be going in the other direction for tablets. I myself find the 7-8" form factor preferable for reading in bed/watching movies/etc over the larger tablets. Its lighter, yet the buttons are large enough to still be fairly usable. I've sorta stopped questioning every strange thing apple does, but the larger tablets don't really appear to be catching on...
- cableshaft 10y ago
  I would like to update my iPad Mini 1 since it seems like it should be so ancient now (it's had 3 iterations since then), but dammit if the thing still doesn't just work fine. Yeah, it feels a little slow for some things now (especially browsing the internet, can't seem to keep more than one or two tabs in memory), but it's still super solid and gets the job done, and even still works with the vast majority of apps and games. I might have to soon to be able to iOS dev with the newest XCode, but that's the only reason I have. I've owned that thing for almost 4 years now. It's probably the most solid piece of hardware I've ever owned.