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Unless you are a mobile developer and your clients always want iOS apps.

mgkimsal 10y ago
this was the opposite of 20 years ago - sure, you can do loads on macs, except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem. shoe's on the other foot now. if MS had done a better job in mobile, there'd be more reason to target windows for regular joe consumers, but they lost that market (for now anyway?). :(
- vaishaksuresh 10y ago
  > except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem Parallels/BootCamp?
  - lunchboxsushi 10y ago
    asp.net core 1 is cross platform, using visual studio code you can now build lots without visual studio... but not older enterprise projects of course and or visual projects.
  - mgkimsal 10y ago
    > this was the opposite of 20 years ago perhaps I should have put that other part in quotes. that was the refrain from mac-bashers at the time (well, one of them). Everything revolved around windows ecosystem, it had the developer mindshare and market strength, etc. It's not the same story today.
izacus 10y ago
Well, you kinda pegged your fate and future to Apple by choosing to worked into their locked ecosystem right? It's not like it was an accidental choice, you knew that you'll have to buy whatever Apple serves you in whatever form they want as long as you want to service that platform.
- jarcoal 10y ago
  Sounds like he chose to work as a mobile developer, not an iOS developer. A Mac let's you write for iOS and Android. Windows doesn't.
  - imgabe 10y ago
    To be fair, it's Apple that doesn't let you develop for iOS on Windows, not Microsoft.
    - vaishaksuresh 10y ago
      Yes but Microsoft doesn't let you build on macOS either. With mac, you still have an option of installing windows. I am not saying one is better than the other, but as a developer, I feel macOS gives me best bang for the buck.
      - imgabe 10y ago
        It's Apple that doesn't let you install macOS on a VM or other hardware. Microsoft has no control over that.
        vaishaksuresh 10y ago
        Microsoft does have control over building a version of Visual Studio that runs on macOS if they really don't discriminate based on the platform. They want their phone apps built on windows and I think it is fair, but they aren't that much different from Apple.
- vaishaksuresh 10y ago
  Last I build a windows phone app, which was ~3 years ago, I needed windows running on my Mac. With a mac I can build for iOS, Android and WinPhone. With a Windows box, I cannot build iOS apps. I don't know what is more locked.
  - 10y ago

this was the opposite of 20 years ago - sure, you can do loads on macs, except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem. shoe's on the other foot now. if MS had done a better job in mobile, there'd be more reason to target windows for regular joe consumers, but they lost that market (for now anyway?). :(

vaishaksuresh 10y ago
> except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem Parallels/BootCamp?
- lunchboxsushi 10y ago
  asp.net core 1 is cross platform, using visual studio code you can now build lots without visual studio... but not older enterprise projects of course and or visual projects.
- mgkimsal 10y ago
  > this was the opposite of 20 years ago perhaps I should have put that other part in quotes. that was the refrain from mac-bashers at the time (well, one of them). Everything revolved around windows ecosystem, it had the developer mindshare and market strength, etc. It's not the same story today.

izacus 10y ago

Well, you kinda pegged your fate and future to Apple by choosing to worked into their locked ecosystem right? It's not like it was an accidental choice, you knew that you'll have to buy whatever Apple serves you in whatever form they want as long as you want to service that platform.

jarcoal 10y ago
Sounds like he chose to work as a mobile developer, not an iOS developer. A Mac let's you write for iOS and Android. Windows doesn't.
- imgabe 10y ago
  To be fair, it's Apple that doesn't let you develop for iOS on Windows, not Microsoft.
  - vaishaksuresh 10y ago
    Yes but Microsoft doesn't let you build on macOS either. With mac, you still have an option of installing windows. I am not saying one is better than the other, but as a developer, I feel macOS gives me best bang for the buck.
    - imgabe 10y ago
      It's Apple that doesn't let you install macOS on a VM or other hardware. Microsoft has no control over that.
      - vaishaksuresh 10y ago
        Microsoft does have control over building a version of Visual Studio that runs on macOS if they really don't discriminate based on the platform. They want their phone apps built on windows and I think it is fair, but they aren't that much different from Apple.
vaishaksuresh 10y ago
Last I build a windows phone app, which was ~3 years ago, I needed windows running on my Mac. With a mac I can build for iOS, Android and WinPhone. With a Windows box, I cannot build iOS apps. I don't know what is more locked.
- 10y ago