5 ms·

Of course not. Using an ad blocker means that ads are blocked at all sites. Paying for content at one site clearly doesn't affect the ads delivered by other sit

Of course not. Using an ad blocker means that ads are blocked at all sites. Paying for content at one site clearly doesn't affect the ads delivered by other sites.

Klathmon 10y ago
the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. You can have an adblocker, and still pay for content...
- bahjoite 10y ago
  Correct. People using ad blockers want to block ads. They don't necessarily want to pay to avoid seeing ads. They may still wish to pay for content they like. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
  - Klathmon 10y ago
    But in this case, it's pretty black and white. If you wanted to block ads, paying for the subscription is not only the ethical thing to do, but also much safer as it brings the possibility of being served ads to 0% If you are okay with viewing ads instead of paying, this is a non-issue, as you will be served the ads just like before.
    - bahjoite 10y ago
      I disagree that paying for the subscription is the ethical thing to do. The publisher expressly allows the content to be consumed for free - they don't require payment for the content. Therefore it is not unethical to consume that content for free. That they desire us to view ads is beside the point: we're not obliged to view them, nor is it unethical to choose not to view them.
      - Klathmon 10y ago
        They aren't expressly allowing the content to be consumed for free any more than a store-front that shows off products is allowing them to be taken for free. There is the expectation that you serve the ads along with the content given, and violating that expectation is an ethical issue. It might not be an issue for you, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant at best.
        bahjoite 10y ago
        > They aren't expressly allowing the content to be consumed for free any more than a store-front that shows off products is allowing them to be taken for free. False equivalence. Further, they certainly are allowing the content to be consumed for free. > There is the expectation that you serve the ads along with the content given, and violating that expectation is an ethical issue. We violate nothing by choosing not to abide by the wish that we view ads. There is no obligation to do so. It has nothing to do with ethics. > It might not be an issue for you, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant at best. I think you mean "ignorant at worst". At best, we are ideologically opposed. :)
        Klathmon 10y ago
        > We violate nothing by choosing not to abide by the wish that we view ads. There is no obligation to do so. It has nothing to do with ethics. Similar to how choosing to not abide by the wish that you pay for products. >I think you mean "ignorant at worst". At best, we are ideologically opposed. :) I mean ignorant at best. Pretending that there isn't even a discussion to be had about ethics in this area is just shoving your head into the sand.
        bahjoite 10y ago
        > Similar to how choosing to not abide by the wish that you pay for products. It is not a "wish" when payment is demanded for a product. You violate a social contract and a legal statute when not paying for a product for which payment is demanded. This is nothing like the situation here where the content is absolutely available for free. This is beyond question. > I mean ignorant at best. Pretending that there isn't even a discussion to be had about ethics in this area is just shoving your head into the sand. Perhaps you might advance a rational argument for the viewing of ads as an ethical decision.
    - tokenizerrr 10y ago
      How does paying website A keep website B from serving me ads? This is why I run an adblocker.
    - bigbugbag 10y ago
      what if I'm okay with being served ads but I completely refuse the tracking that comes with ads ? Then what if I'm okay with ads as long they're not intrusive (no animation, no sound, no video, no lightbox trickery,...) ? And there are half a dozen of what if that makes this not so black and white. And whatever way you look at it, the global effortless solution is install an ad blocker preferably ublock origins and forget about it. "Your failed business model is not my problem"

Of course not. Using an ad blocker means that ads are blocked at all sites. Paying for content at one site clearly doesn't affect the ads delivered by other sites.

Klathmon 10y ago

the 2 aren't mutually exclusive. You can have an adblocker, and still pay for content...

bahjoite 10y ago
Correct. People using ad blockers want to block ads. They don't necessarily want to pay to avoid seeing ads. They may still wish to pay for content they like. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
- Klathmon 10y ago
  But in this case, it's pretty black and white. If you wanted to block ads, paying for the subscription is not only the ethical thing to do, but also much safer as it brings the possibility of being served ads to 0% If you are okay with viewing ads instead of paying, this is a non-issue, as you will be served the ads just like before.
  - bahjoite 10y ago
    I disagree that paying for the subscription is the ethical thing to do. The publisher expressly allows the content to be consumed for free - they don't require payment for the content. Therefore it is not unethical to consume that content for free. That they desire us to view ads is beside the point: we're not obliged to view them, nor is it unethical to choose not to view them.
    - Klathmon 10y ago
      They aren't expressly allowing the content to be consumed for free any more than a store-front that shows off products is allowing them to be taken for free. There is the expectation that you serve the ads along with the content given, and violating that expectation is an ethical issue. It might not be an issue for you, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant at best.
      - bahjoite 10y ago
        > They aren't expressly allowing the content to be consumed for free any more than a store-front that shows off products is allowing them to be taken for free. False equivalence. Further, they certainly are allowing the content to be consumed for free. > There is the expectation that you serve the ads along with the content given, and violating that expectation is an ethical issue. We violate nothing by choosing not to abide by the wish that we view ads. There is no obligation to do so. It has nothing to do with ethics. > It might not be an issue for you, but to pretend it doesn't exist is ignorant at best. I think you mean "ignorant at worst". At best, we are ideologically opposed. :)
        Klathmon 10y ago
        > We violate nothing by choosing not to abide by the wish that we view ads. There is no obligation to do so. It has nothing to do with ethics. Similar to how choosing to not abide by the wish that you pay for products. >I think you mean "ignorant at worst". At best, we are ideologically opposed. :) I mean ignorant at best. Pretending that there isn't even a discussion to be had about ethics in this area is just shoving your head into the sand.
        bahjoite 10y ago
        > Similar to how choosing to not abide by the wish that you pay for products. It is not a "wish" when payment is demanded for a product. You violate a social contract and a legal statute when not paying for a product for which payment is demanded. This is nothing like the situation here where the content is absolutely available for free. This is beyond question. > I mean ignorant at best. Pretending that there isn't even a discussion to be had about ethics in this area is just shoving your head into the sand. Perhaps you might advance a rational argument for the viewing of ads as an ethical decision.
  - tokenizerrr 10y ago
    How does paying website A keep website B from serving me ads? This is why I run an adblocker.
  - bigbugbag 10y ago
    what if I'm okay with being served ads but I completely refuse the tracking that comes with ads ? Then what if I'm okay with ads as long they're not intrusive (no animation, no sound, no video, no lightbox trickery,...) ? And there are half a dozen of what if that makes this not so black and white. And whatever way you look at it, the global effortless solution is install an ad blocker preferably ublock origins and forget about it. "Your failed business model is not my problem"