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I'd suggest you to read https://engineering.linkedin.com/blog/2016/10/bringing-salary-transparency-to-the-world https://engineering.linkedin.com/blog/2016/10/br

by twokul 10y ago

I'd suggest you to read https://engineering.linkedin.com/blog/2016/10/bringing-salary-transparency-to-the-world https://engineering.linkedin.com/blog/2016/10/bringing-salar..., the section about privacy.

mavelikara 10y ago
Here is what the _current_ content says: One of the interesting dichotomies with compensation data is that many users want this information, but don’t want to have their individual data exposed or connected back to them. Salary information is personal to each of our members. With this in mind, and consistent with our Members First organizational philosophy, one of the first goals we established when we set out to embark on this project was to provide powerful salary insights in aggregate without risking an individual’s private information. In the end, we built a salary collection system to provide the strongest protections for the anonymity of all of our members—no easy task. Parts of our approach are detailed later in this article. Because we proactively separate a member’s submission data from their Member ID when compensation data is submitted, it enables us to secure the system in such a way that we cannot even support the ability for a member to update their previously submitted salary information - they have to resubmit. Furthermore, our system provides protection not just from hackers out in the wild, but also provides access control against unauthorized use by internal users. If I am reading this correctly, what they seem to say is that as implemented currently, they don't have the ability to track a person's salary information to their profile and hence won't be able to sell that information.
- Balgair 10y ago
  True, but that is not the issue. The clickwrap means nothing to me when they have this rider: "7. Right to Terminate or Modify Software LinkedIn may modify the Software and this EULA with notice to you either in email or by publishing notice on the Website, including but not limited to charging fees for the Software, or changing the functionality or appearance of the Software. In the event LinkedIn modifies the Software or the EULA, you may terminate this EULA and cease use of the Software. LinkedIn may terminate your use of the Software, the EULA or the LinkedIn Service at any time, *with or without notice.*" (emphasis mine)[0] Fundamentally, I cannot ever trust them. [0]https://www.linkedin.com/legal/mobile/eula https://www.linkedin.com/legal/mobile/eula
- badloginagain 10y ago
  Until 7 months later they quietly update the ToS.
  - riffraff 10y ago
    7 months later they would still not have access to the submitted data that was never stored, only to future submissions.
- saiya-jin 10y ago
  that's a mighty big hoping that nothing in this regard will change. ever. in for-profit company. that eagerly steals all my contacts from my cell phone (to which I probably unknowingly agreed, but it's amoral). NO.
- sgw928 10y ago
  Then when someone resubmits new data, how do they know that a previously submitted data point is now stale and shouldn't be used any more?
  - mahyarm 10y ago
    What I think happens: 1. You submit a salary info struct, which includes time of submission. The struct does not contain a userId. 2. Your account's lastUpdatedSalaryDate gets updated, with only day/week/month level precision. Someone with access to the entire database may be able to connect the two if the salary set for your job is small enough. Then they weigh salary information based on how fresh the entry is. Stale entries don't get a good weight, and you updating your salary is just another info point, and it might go into another bucket if you got a title change (ex software eng -> sr. software eng.). If you got promoted, then the old salary info is probably still relevant for people in lower level positions.
  - hvidgaard 10y ago
    When you submit data, your current state and history will form some basis for the entry into the salery database. When you update your information, you have a different state and history, and thus will generate a new entry. Both should be in the data.
- billmalarky 10y ago
  Because we proactively separate a member’s submission data from their Member ID when compensation data is submitted, it enables us to secure the system in such a way that we cannot even support the ability for a member to update their previously submitted salary information - they have to resubmit. How is this possible? If the salary data is not associated to the user in any way can't a user submit their salary over and over again drastically swaying the aggregate salaries?
  - apike 10y ago
    Presumably they're tracking when the user last submitted a salary, but not what they submitted.
allengeorge 10y ago
I have. I'm aware I have a strong bias against LinkedIn when it comes to their data-handling. The entire company is built around selling me to recruiters, so I'm very wary about their collection of my employment information. Edit. For example, I'm not sure if this current policy will continue into the future. It's easy for me to get used to handing them my salary information and for them to change the privacy policy under me.
- rokhayakebe 10y ago
  The entire company is built around selling me to recruiters I think you may have fixed this data accuracy debate/issue. If they ask recruiters only they may get nearly-accurate data.
rqebmm 10y ago
Yeah, because I trust LinkedIn with privacy.
YPCrumble 10y ago
LinkedIn waited several years without letting me know that my account information had been hacked. For me at least they lost all credibility so reading their "privacy policy" would be a waste of time.
SilasX 10y ago
Sure, because the right combination of words somehow overrides LinkedIn's history of violating users' trust, of security breaches, and of sleazy practices.

by twokul 10y ago

mavelikara 10y ago

Here is what the _current_ content says: One of the interesting dichotomies with compensation data is that many users want this information, but don’t want to have their individual data exposed or connected back to them. Salary information is personal to each of our members. With this in mind, and consistent with our Members First organizational philosophy, one of the first goals we established when we set out to embark on this project was to provide powerful salary insights in aggregate without risking an individual’s private information. In the end, we built a salary collection system to provide the strongest protections for the anonymity of all of our members—no easy task. Parts of our approach are detailed later in this article. Because we proactively separate a member’s submission data from their Member ID when compensation data is submitted, it enables us to secure the system in such a way that we cannot even support the ability for a member to update their previously submitted salary information - they have to resubmit. Furthermore, our system provides protection not just from hackers out in the wild, but also provides access control against unauthorized use by internal users. If I am reading this correctly, what they seem to say is that as implemented currently, they don't have the ability to track a person's salary information to their profile and hence won't be able to sell that information.

Balgair 10y ago
True, but that is not the issue. The clickwrap means nothing to me when they have this rider: "7. Right to Terminate or Modify Software LinkedIn may modify the Software and this EULA with notice to you either in email or by publishing notice on the Website, including but not limited to charging fees for the Software, or changing the functionality or appearance of the Software. In the event LinkedIn modifies the Software or the EULA, you may terminate this EULA and cease use of the Software. LinkedIn may terminate your use of the Software, the EULA or the LinkedIn Service at any time, *with or without notice.*" (emphasis mine)[0] Fundamentally, I cannot ever trust them. [0]https://www.linkedin.com/legal/mobile/eula https://www.linkedin.com/legal/mobile/eula
badloginagain 10y ago
Until 7 months later they quietly update the ToS.
- riffraff 10y ago
  7 months later they would still not have access to the submitted data that was never stored, only to future submissions.
saiya-jin 10y ago
that's a mighty big hoping that nothing in this regard will change. ever. in for-profit company. that eagerly steals all my contacts from my cell phone (to which I probably unknowingly agreed, but it's amoral). NO.
sgw928 10y ago
Then when someone resubmits new data, how do they know that a previously submitted data point is now stale and shouldn't be used any more?
- mahyarm 10y ago
  What I think happens: 1. You submit a salary info struct, which includes time of submission. The struct does not contain a userId. 2. Your account's lastUpdatedSalaryDate gets updated, with only day/week/month level precision. Someone with access to the entire database may be able to connect the two if the salary set for your job is small enough. Then they weigh salary information based on how fresh the entry is. Stale entries don't get a good weight, and you updating your salary is just another info point, and it might go into another bucket if you got a title change (ex software eng -> sr. software eng.). If you got promoted, then the old salary info is probably still relevant for people in lower level positions.
- hvidgaard 10y ago
  When you submit data, your current state and history will form some basis for the entry into the salery database. When you update your information, you have a different state and history, and thus will generate a new entry. Both should be in the data.
billmalarky 10y ago
Because we proactively separate a member’s submission data from their Member ID when compensation data is submitted, it enables us to secure the system in such a way that we cannot even support the ability for a member to update their previously submitted salary information - they have to resubmit. How is this possible? If the salary data is not associated to the user in any way can't a user submit their salary over and over again drastically swaying the aggregate salaries?
- apike 10y ago
  Presumably they're tracking when the user last submitted a salary, but not what they submitted.

allengeorge 10y ago

I have. I'm aware I have a strong bias against LinkedIn when it comes to their data-handling. The entire company is built around selling me to recruiters, so I'm very wary about their collection of my employment information. Edit. For example, I'm not sure if this current policy will continue into the future. It's easy for me to get used to handing them my salary information and for them to change the privacy policy under me.

rokhayakebe 10y ago
The entire company is built around selling me to recruiters I think you may have fixed this data accuracy debate/issue. If they ask recruiters only they may get nearly-accurate data.

rqebmm 10y ago

Yeah, because I trust LinkedIn with privacy.

YPCrumble 10y ago

LinkedIn waited several years without letting me know that my account information had been hacked. For me at least they lost all credibility so reading their "privacy policy" would be a waste of time.

SilasX 10y ago

Sure, because the right combination of words somehow overrides LinkedIn's history of violating users' trust, of security breaches, and of sleazy practices.