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> He literally gave a case (from memory) about the industry being an early adopter of technology. Not every anecdote needs a citation. No, he didn't give a cas

> He literally gave a case (from memory) about the industry being an early adopter of technology. Not every anecdote needs a citation. No, he didn't give a case (of porn pushing technology), and he also didn't say his claim was from memory or was an anecdote. So what are you talking about? He claimed porn used credit cards before "virtually anyone". Which is vague to the point of meaningless, concedes porn was in fact not first, and has zero to back it up anyway. It's simply a boring "observation" people love to repeat when the topic of porn crops up. That it's actually the top comment here, rather than something about the actual story/submission, is unbelievable. > Where's your citation about it being a myth? The fact that there is nothing to back up the claim that porn innovated or pushed technology makes it a myth. You cannot possibly not understand this, so I don't know why you're asking for a "citation". > Why can't people stop and think about whether their words are useful to the conversation? If you want to go down that route, what's so "useful" about trotting out an age-old hackneyed myth about porn? What's so "useful" about your reply to me?

gknoy 10y ago
I thought it was common knowledge that porn drove innovation in tech. :-) I had a hard time finding info on the web about Richard Morgan, but the NY Times is probably a decent citation. Mr. Gordon, 62, played a significant role in the birth of electronic commerce. While Amazon.com and eBay were still fledgling enterprises, the companies that Mr. Gordon founded in the early 1990s were already laying the groundwork for electronic transactions conducted with credit cards — a development that opened the doors to the first generation of e-commerce start-ups. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/technology/18gordo.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/technology/18gordo.html Also, credit card processing was used to verify age: In 2001 ... these companies ... were imperative for the industry’s existence: Adult Check, CyberAge, CCBill and Internet Billing Co. [E]ndorsed for age verification by ... in the Communications Decency Act 1996, the credit card [was] like a magic wand. [B]y requiring one, porn industries could immediately side step anyone accusing them of displaying porn to minors. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/07/cybersex-ascii-pinups-celebrity-fakes-how-the-internet-created-a-97-billion-porn-industry/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/07/cybersex-ascii-pinu...
- quirkafleeg 10y ago
  First, thanks for your decent reply. > I thought it was common knowledge that porn drove innovation in tech. Well, it's a common myth that some people love to repeat. And apparently some people here are very touchy about their favourite myths being challenged. Your first link appears to be an account of a credit card processor who, in the late 1990s ("early 1990s" in your quote is misleading), did processing for porn sites. The second link is about adult-specific credit card processors from 2001. All that shows is that, as with every other claim of "innovation" I've ever seen, porn companies started to do what regular businesses were already doing. Possible areas where porn may have "innovated", however, are the likes of credit card banging and malware/dialers.

gknoy 10y ago

I thought it was common knowledge that porn drove innovation in tech. :-) I had a hard time finding info on the web about Richard Morgan, but the NY Times is probably a decent citation. Mr. Gordon, 62, played a significant role in the birth of electronic commerce. While Amazon.com and eBay were still fledgling enterprises, the companies that Mr. Gordon founded in the early 1990s were already laying the groundwork for electronic transactions conducted with credit cards — a development that opened the doors to the first generation of e-commerce start-ups. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/technology/18gordo.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/technology/18gordo.html Also, credit card processing was used to verify age: In 2001 ... these companies ... were imperative for the industry’s existence: Adult Check, CyberAge, CCBill and Internet Billing Co. [E]ndorsed for age verification by ... in the Communications Decency Act 1996, the credit card [was] like a magic wand. [B]y requiring one, porn industries could immediately side step anyone accusing them of displaying porn to minors. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/07/cybersex-ascii-pinups-celebrity-fakes-how-the-internet-created-a-97-billion-porn-industry/ http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/10/07/cybersex-ascii-pinu...

quirkafleeg 10y ago
First, thanks for your decent reply. > I thought it was common knowledge that porn drove innovation in tech. Well, it's a common myth that some people love to repeat. And apparently some people here are very touchy about their favourite myths being challenged. Your first link appears to be an account of a credit card processor who, in the late 1990s ("early 1990s" in your quote is misleading), did processing for porn sites. The second link is about adult-specific credit card processors from 2001. All that shows is that, as with every other claim of "innovation" I've ever seen, porn companies started to do what regular businesses were already doing. Possible areas where porn may have "innovated", however, are the likes of credit card banging and malware/dialers.