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> either because they have some kind of proof (unlikely) or because it serves their global interests (likely) Is it just me or is Trump making conspiracy theor

by 07d046 10y ago

> either because they have some kind of proof (unlikely) or because it serves their global interests (likely) Is it just me or is Trump making conspiracy theories great again? There's always a fringe that is happy to see a conspiracy in everything (and sometimes they're actually true), but it seems that this sort of thinking is everywhere at the moment.

tdkl 10y ago
Snowden revelations made "conspiracy theories" plausible regarding cyber security, operations and media reporting.
- soundwave106 10y ago
  The thing is, I remember the EFF reporting on NSA spying activity long before Snowden blew the cover open. The EFF has a great timeline (https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline). The first apparent reveal of warrant-less spying was in 2005 (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/bush-lets-us-spy-on-callers-without-courts.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/bush-lets-us-spy-...) and Mark Klein was the first major whistleblower back in 2006. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein). What Snowden confirmed was more the scale. The details honestly shouldn't have been terribly surprising for anyone who had followed computer news for the last decade, unfortunately. As far as Russia hacking the DNC is concerned, what I know is there are several cybersecurity companies that have confirmed that Russian hackers were involved, publishing white papers with a fair bit of evidence. I personally haven't seen a single cybersecurity company so far refute that information. I do welcome a technical refutation of the white papers or a point to a cybersecurity company that disagrees! Counterpoints however have to be data-oriented to be interesting. I consider random commentators posturing that all this is just US propaganda with little evidence to be merely cheerleading, sorry, that's not interesting to me...

by 07d046 10y ago

tdkl 10y ago

Snowden revelations made "conspiracy theories" plausible regarding cyber security, operations and media reporting.

soundwave106 10y ago
The thing is, I remember the EFF reporting on NSA spying activity long before Snowden blew the cover open. The EFF has a great timeline (https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline). The first apparent reveal of warrant-less spying was in 2005 (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/bush-lets-us-spy-on-callers-without-courts.html http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/politics/bush-lets-us-spy-...) and Mark Klein was the first major whistleblower back in 2006. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Klein). What Snowden confirmed was more the scale. The details honestly shouldn't have been terribly surprising for anyone who had followed computer news for the last decade, unfortunately. As far as Russia hacking the DNC is concerned, what I know is there are several cybersecurity companies that have confirmed that Russian hackers were involved, publishing white papers with a fair bit of evidence. I personally haven't seen a single cybersecurity company so far refute that information. I do welcome a technical refutation of the white papers or a point to a cybersecurity company that disagrees! Counterpoints however have to be data-oriented to be interesting. I consider random commentators posturing that all this is just US propaganda with little evidence to be merely cheerleading, sorry, that's not interesting to me...