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It'll super useful when/if it supports XCode + Mac Developer Tools for iOS development. I think that's the main thing keeping app developers on their Macs.

by ISNIT 10y ago

rimantas 10y ago
Believe me, it is not. All Android and WP developers I know also used Macs. :)
- m3rc 10y ago
  Interesting, the Android and WP developers I know use PCs running Linux... since the plural of "anecdote" is "statistics" I wonder how we proceed from here
  - DigitalJack 10y ago
    The plural of anecdote is data.
    - m3rc 10y ago
      Well then I guess we have 2 data.
    - zimpenfish 10y ago
      Incorrect: The plural of anecdote is Gladwell.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  I don't know anyone, and there are quite a few in this 4 floor building. Not to mention across all company sites. EDIT: And if you bother to listen to the Android Developers Backstage podcast, according to the Android team themselves the large majority is on Windows.
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    The entire Android developer team here is on Macs. And go to any Android developer conference, and I'd be willing to bet money that most laptops you'll see are Macs.
    - pjmlp 10y ago
      If you wish I can tell exactly which podcast where they give their numbers.
endemic 10y ago
The only hesitation I have in switching away from macOS is inability to do iOS development. However, since it's just a hobby for me (and one with decreasing returns), I might give it up sooner rather than later.
Philipp__ 10y ago
That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Emacs check, clang check, JetBrains' stuff check. (only two programs that are exclusive to macOS are Xcode and iTerm2, at least in my case). Edit: OK why downvotes? Did I say something that is not true? Matter of taste, but seems like it's new trend to hate on Apple computers. Its cool now right? Why can't people just move on... Edit2: Forgot that this is HN and that every word is meant literally. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- treve 10y ago
  OP should have said "many app developers". The implications are a bit different because it doesn't mean 'all' or 'the majority'. Lots of people will stick with Apple hardware or the mac operating system I'm sure, but I do agree that I think a lot of people will cross over once some of these barriers are removed.
  - Philipp__ 10y ago
    And it is okay! Different devices, different systems for different people. But what I really do not get is the amount of rage that is produced in the community, if you do not like certain device simply do not buy it, and do not bash people that do, because if there are reasons for you not to like it that doesn't mean it's same case for everyone else. Anyway back to the story, I think that number of people that use Macs only for iOS dev is existent but not really that big. Except platform specific development (like .NET/Windows, or iOS/macOS for that matter), most of development is pretty platform agnostic (where you draw the line here is UNIX-like vs Windows OS). App developers will have to stick to Macs, unless Apple go totally insane and release dev tools for iOS on Linux (which won't happen in my opinion, because of the anatomy of both macOS and Linux). So OPs comment doesn't make sense from the beginning (both technically and economically for Apple).
- my123 10y ago

It'll super useful when/if it supports XCode + Mac Developer Tools for iOS development. I think that's the main thing keeping app developers on their Macs.

by ISNIT 10y ago

It'll super useful when/if it supports XCode + Mac Developer Tools for iOS development. I think that's the main thing keeping app developers on their Macs.

rimantas 10y ago

Believe me, it is not. All Android and WP developers I know also used Macs. :)

m3rc 10y ago
Interesting, the Android and WP developers I know use PCs running Linux... since the plural of "anecdote" is "statistics" I wonder how we proceed from here
- DigitalJack 10y ago
  The plural of anecdote is data.
  - m3rc 10y ago
    Well then I guess we have 2 data.
  - zimpenfish 10y ago
    Incorrect: The plural of anecdote is Gladwell.
pjmlp 10y ago
I don't know anyone, and there are quite a few in this 4 floor building. Not to mention across all company sites. EDIT: And if you bother to listen to the Android Developers Backstage podcast, according to the Android team themselves the large majority is on Windows.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  The entire Android developer team here is on Macs. And go to any Android developer conference, and I'd be willing to bet money that most laptops you'll see are Macs.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    If you wish I can tell exactly which podcast where they give their numbers.

endemic 10y ago

The only hesitation I have in switching away from macOS is inability to do iOS development. However, since it's just a hobby for me (and one with decreasing returns), I might give it up sooner rather than later.

Philipp__ 10y ago

That simply is not true. Most of the people that likes commodities of UNIX, nice UI and long battery life in combination with nice hardware uses Macs. Even people who do not do any iOS development. There is no such thing as Mac Dev tools, (maybe just iOS related but there aren't many that you do for that process besides Xcode). I use my Mac like I used Linux and FreeBSD, package manager check, nice terminal check, Emacs check, clang check, JetBrains' stuff check. (only two programs that are exclusive to macOS are Xcode and iTerm2, at least in my case). Edit: OK why downvotes? Did I say something that is not true? Matter of taste, but seems like it's new trend to hate on Apple computers. Its cool now right? Why can't people just move on... Edit2: Forgot that this is HN and that every word is meant literally. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

treve 10y ago
OP should have said "many app developers". The implications are a bit different because it doesn't mean 'all' or 'the majority'. Lots of people will stick with Apple hardware or the mac operating system I'm sure, but I do agree that I think a lot of people will cross over once some of these barriers are removed.
- Philipp__ 10y ago
  And it is okay! Different devices, different systems for different people. But what I really do not get is the amount of rage that is produced in the community, if you do not like certain device simply do not buy it, and do not bash people that do, because if there are reasons for you not to like it that doesn't mean it's same case for everyone else. Anyway back to the story, I think that number of people that use Macs only for iOS dev is existent but not really that big. Except platform specific development (like .NET/Windows, or iOS/macOS for that matter), most of development is pretty platform agnostic (where you draw the line here is UNIX-like vs Windows OS). App developers will have to stick to Macs, unless Apple go totally insane and release dev tools for iOS on Linux (which won't happen in my opinion, because of the anatomy of both macOS and Linux). So OPs comment doesn't make sense from the beginning (both technically and economically for Apple).
my123 10y ago