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(reply in comments by the author:) Then don’t install flash! That is the degree of freedom that I appreciate. Not so much Flash that bank/shop/gov. sites expe

by ableal 17y ago

(reply in comments by the author:) Then don’t install flash! That is the degree of freedom that I appreciate. Not so much Flash that bank/shop/gov. sites expect anyone to have it. And not so little that all the, er, uninteresting-to-me stuff now in Flash is rendered in unavoidable HTML5 standards. (Note to self: save a copy of an ancient browser.)

jrockway 17y ago
Uh, or just program the modern browser to work the way you like. I don't whine about jpeg or gif or png ads, even though my browser supports them just fine. I simply have my browser not show them to me.
- ableal 17y ago
  Thanks, I know how to do that too. Actually I do a lot of reading on a browser with javascript and images off (Konqueror has a convenient 'load images' button, but CSS still sneaks in an occasional annoyance). Firefox without Flash does OK for me now, for the rest of the stuff that needs javascript and images. I doubt it will be possible to tune it properly (short of hosts file munging) if all Flash migrates to HTML5. And of course it's a bit unwieldy to keep multiple browsers around - Konqueror 3.x also shows me a convenient 'open link in Firefox' option, but that's it. And I don't think this kind of fiddly options will be exactly first priority. We'll see in a couple of years, I guess. P.S. The 'canvas' animation in the page linked here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1252899 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1252899 pegs one core of my Linux machine with Firefox 3.5. I just tested, and it does the same with image loading turned off. Must also turn off javascript to make it stop (duh, must be a js busy-wait doing it). (I seem to recall a line about 'depending on the kindness of strangers', not really an enviable situation.)
  - waxpraxis 17y ago
    This is going to be a very interesting debate moving forward. Flash has shown what happens if you let all elements of a page have the same rights to resources - and Adobe is working on ways of dealing with the issue. Now HTML5 is going to have to deal with the problem and they we'll have to wait until browsers make their own implementation of a solution that will probably be similar to Adobe's eventual solution.
    - ableal 17y ago
      Yes, good point. Probably by this time next year the top story here will be talking about the problem. Ah, well. I'm getting off lightly - as someone put it, Cassandra didn't get half the kicks she deserved ...

by ableal 17y ago

jrockway 17y ago

Uh, or just program the modern browser to work the way you like. I don't whine about jpeg or gif or png ads, even though my browser supports them just fine. I simply have my browser not show them to me.

ableal 17y ago
Thanks, I know how to do that too. Actually I do a lot of reading on a browser with javascript and images off (Konqueror has a convenient 'load images' button, but CSS still sneaks in an occasional annoyance). Firefox without Flash does OK for me now, for the rest of the stuff that needs javascript and images. I doubt it will be possible to tune it properly (short of hosts file munging) if all Flash migrates to HTML5. And of course it's a bit unwieldy to keep multiple browsers around - Konqueror 3.x also shows me a convenient 'open link in Firefox' option, but that's it. And I don't think this kind of fiddly options will be exactly first priority. We'll see in a couple of years, I guess. P.S. The 'canvas' animation in the page linked here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1252899 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1252899 pegs one core of my Linux machine with Firefox 3.5. I just tested, and it does the same with image loading turned off. Must also turn off javascript to make it stop (duh, must be a js busy-wait doing it). (I seem to recall a line about 'depending on the kindness of strangers', not really an enviable situation.)
- waxpraxis 17y ago
  This is going to be a very interesting debate moving forward. Flash has shown what happens if you let all elements of a page have the same rights to resources - and Adobe is working on ways of dealing with the issue. Now HTML5 is going to have to deal with the problem and they we'll have to wait until browsers make their own implementation of a solution that will probably be similar to Adobe's eventual solution.
  - ableal 17y ago
    Yes, good point. Probably by this time next year the top story here will be talking about the problem. Ah, well. I'm getting off lightly - as someone put it, Cassandra didn't get half the kicks she deserved ...