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Its still extremely dangerous to give birth in the US when compared to Greece, our maternal death rate is 7x higher [1], on par with Iran, Hungary and Saudi Ara

Its still extremely dangerous to give birth in the US when compared to Greece, our maternal death rate is 7x higher [1], on par with Iran, Hungary and Saudi Arabia. [1] - http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=2223 http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=2223

rglullis 10y ago
What a horrible display of "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." 0,021% death rate is far from "extremely dangerous", and why the focus on this one specific chart? Amazing cherry-picking you've done.
- webscaleizfun 10y ago
  Why do hundreds of pregnant women die every year in the US, but significantly less die in Singapore, Greece, Canada, Ireland, etc? This shouldn't be a thing, and we shouldn't be this far behind other countries on this, its not an impossible problem to halve or even cut into a quarter that death rate. This isn't even discussing complications of pregnancy or infant mortality, both of which we are not doing amazing at.
  - rglullis 10y ago
    I am not contesting that the US could be doing better. What I am contesting is that you are conflating absolute and relative measurements to try to make a point, and that you are reducing such a complex matter into a question of political ideology that governs the countries. Also, lots of weasel-wording there - e.g, "hundreds of deaths" in country of 320+ million people, comparing with countries that are 100x smaller? - which do show a lack of intellectual honesty. At least that is the impression that it gives when I read your response as some kind of counterpoint to the comment from GP about socialism and the associated bureaucracy. If I have read your statement correctly and indeed you meant something along the lines of: - The USA is doing worse than Greece in this one metric. - Greece has more Socialist/Welfare-state inclinations than the US. - Therefore if we want to improve this one metric we ought to adopt more Social-Democratic policies Consider this: the best country in the list you provided is Estonia, the country with the "Most Competitive Tax System in the OECD"[1], which would basically be an argument that all countries should be like Estonia - a polar opposite from Greece. But then again, I could have completely misread what you meant. Please correct me if I misinterpreted any of your statements. [1]: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/estonia-has-most-competitive-tax-system-oecd http://taxfoundation.org/blog/estonia-has-most-competitive-t... (Note to down-voters: do you really think that anything I wrote is so offensive or damaging to the forum, to the point that it deserves to be in negative mark? Gee, I know it is election season for most of you, but let's please keep a HN a place where people can have an honest discussion?)

rglullis 10y ago

What a horrible display of "Lies, damn lies, and statistics." 0,021% death rate is far from "extremely dangerous", and why the focus on this one specific chart? Amazing cherry-picking you've done.

webscaleizfun 10y ago
Why do hundreds of pregnant women die every year in the US, but significantly less die in Singapore, Greece, Canada, Ireland, etc? This shouldn't be a thing, and we shouldn't be this far behind other countries on this, its not an impossible problem to halve or even cut into a quarter that death rate. This isn't even discussing complications of pregnancy or infant mortality, both of which we are not doing amazing at.
- rglullis 10y ago
  I am not contesting that the US could be doing better. What I am contesting is that you are conflating absolute and relative measurements to try to make a point, and that you are reducing such a complex matter into a question of political ideology that governs the countries. Also, lots of weasel-wording there - e.g, "hundreds of deaths" in country of 320+ million people, comparing with countries that are 100x smaller? - which do show a lack of intellectual honesty. At least that is the impression that it gives when I read your response as some kind of counterpoint to the comment from GP about socialism and the associated bureaucracy. If I have read your statement correctly and indeed you meant something along the lines of: - The USA is doing worse than Greece in this one metric. - Greece has more Socialist/Welfare-state inclinations than the US. - Therefore if we want to improve this one metric we ought to adopt more Social-Democratic policies Consider this: the best country in the list you provided is Estonia, the country with the "Most Competitive Tax System in the OECD"[1], which would basically be an argument that all countries should be like Estonia - a polar opposite from Greece. But then again, I could have completely misread what you meant. Please correct me if I misinterpreted any of your statements. [1]: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/estonia-has-most-competitive-tax-system-oecd http://taxfoundation.org/blog/estonia-has-most-competitive-t... (Note to down-voters: do you really think that anything I wrote is so offensive or damaging to the forum, to the point that it deserves to be in negative mark? Gee, I know it is election season for most of you, but let's please keep a HN a place where people can have an honest discussion?)