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> while it's not worked out for the Palestinians, it worked out OK for Israel Why do you say it hasn't worked out for the Palestinians? If it wasn't for the PL

by zeteo 10y ago

> while it's not worked out for the Palestinians, it worked out OK for Israel Why do you say it hasn't worked out for the Palestinians? If it wasn't for the PLO there would be no Palestinian state [1] and the PLO became prominent through terrorist acts [2]. There's a good number of organizations in history that have started with terrorist acts (i.e. atacks against civilians) and ended up in control of a relatively stable territorial state. They include the FLN in Algeria [3], Hezbollah in South Lebanon [4] and the armed wing of the ANC in South Africa [5]. Sure, most if not all have now renounced their terrorist beginnings - so maybe terrorism is not a strategy for the long run. But it's repeatedly provided the initial stepping stone to forming a government. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organization#Armed_actions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Liberation_Organizat... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War#Battle_of_Algiers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerian_War#Battle_of_Algiers [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hezbollah#Suicide_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Hezbollah#Suicide_a... [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Bombings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe#Bombings

Joeboy 10y ago
> Why do you say it hasn't worked out for the Palestinians? I suppose because I am comparing post-Oslo Palestinian terrorism to early 20th Century Zionist terrorism. Fair point. I'm not sure I agree that Palestine kinda sorta having statehood counts as much a victory, compared to the concrete losses suffered by Palestinians. It's not like Palestinians actually have much control over the territory their state claims.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Because for the most part they don't have a goal. Palestinian terroristm increased drastically with every concession Israel made. Suicide bombings after Oslo (they weren't really any before), and the 2nd intifada after Camp David when they were offered 98% of thier claimed territory with land swaps and East Jerusalem, and after Israel pulled out of Gaza it got 10,000's of rockets. Terrorism can work when it's a means to an end, not the goal itself.
  - Joeboy 10y ago
    The PLO's goals were originally the dissolution of the state of Israel, right of return for Palestinian refugees and restoration of Arab control to Palestine (including Israel). They never got very close to those goals.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      Well I should have stated a realistic goal, the the dissolution of the state of Israel is still the long term goal for many within the PLO, not to mention Hamas and their marry bunch.

by zeteo 10y ago

Joeboy 10y ago

> Why do you say it hasn't worked out for the Palestinians? I suppose because I am comparing post-Oslo Palestinian terrorism to early 20th Century Zionist terrorism. Fair point. I'm not sure I agree that Palestine kinda sorta having statehood counts as much a victory, compared to the concrete losses suffered by Palestinians. It's not like Palestinians actually have much control over the territory their state claims.

dogma1138 10y ago
Because for the most part they don't have a goal. Palestinian terroristm increased drastically with every concession Israel made. Suicide bombings after Oslo (they weren't really any before), and the 2nd intifada after Camp David when they were offered 98% of thier claimed territory with land swaps and East Jerusalem, and after Israel pulled out of Gaza it got 10,000's of rockets. Terrorism can work when it's a means to an end, not the goal itself.
- Joeboy 10y ago
  The PLO's goals were originally the dissolution of the state of Israel, right of return for Palestinian refugees and restoration of Arab control to Palestine (including Israel). They never got very close to those goals.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Well I should have stated a realistic goal, the the dissolution of the state of Israel is still the long term goal for many within the PLO, not to mention Hamas and their marry bunch.